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The coins from both links have suffered damage to the outer digit, causing distortion of the 0. This damage is typically caused by rolling/counting machines and this phenomenon is frequently seen by US roll searchers, particularly on Lincoln cents(currently the softest coinage metal composition in use for US coins). |
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That's the first thing that crossed my mind, too. Counting machine damage.
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Hello biokemist6,
I have seen too many coins with the marks of rolling/counting machines, that present circular form of damage on the coins, but in this 10 cents 1960, the mark is only located on the number 0 of the date.
In the last weekend, six numismatists have seen my coin and all bring to the conclusion that this refer to the die.
Maybe other opinions will bring more light on this subject.
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I was not referring to the circular scratches also attributed to rolling machines. I am talking about the outer devices(in most cases, the last digit of the date) being "pushed" and distorted. The date micrograph from the first link shows the 0 as an upside down D and the second link has a similar, but more jagged appearance. I have seen that type of push distortion many times on US coins with 0s of a very similar appearance and the two examples you posted do not match so either Canada had three different dates styles in 1960(very doubtful) or the outer digit has been damaged. |
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 Not the die |
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Bonjour mon pettit en francais. No English notes? Well that was a great years as I know it well, my DOB. A dented 0 something to look for! ---If not the die what caused it? I don't see it as after diner Mint damage do you?  |
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Hi biokemist6,
Five senior numismatists have checked my coin ( second link ), last weekend, and nobody have concluded with a damage in circulation : no sign on the coin to confirm this conclusion.
Greater deterioration of the coin ( 0 ) can be explain by the fact that the coin, on the second link, was striked at the end of the live of the die. On the first link, it was possible that the 10 cents 1960 was striked earlier.
I check this morning three roll of 10 cents from 1937-1966 and I don't see one coin like this : on these coins I have 18 coins of 10 cents 1960.
I will send my coin to a specialist of errors and varieties, and I will return with you with the result of his investigation.
I am not 100 % sure with this conclusion and if you are able to present picture of an other canadian 10 cents 1960, with 0 cuted, and with real mark of damage in ciculation, I will be able to revise my conclusion.
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I check this morning three roll of 10 cents from 1937-1966 and I don't see one coin like this Of course, because that single coin was damaged. The chances of any given two coins looking exactly the same from damage is remote at best. Until identical coins are found with identical markers from a single die, yours will be uniquely damaged. |
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I do not own a single 1960 Canadian dime so I cannot show you one but this problem is not just confined to 1960 dimes from Canada as you seem to think. It really is quite common and I have seen this type of digit distortion many times. I strongly urge you to look at the pics in the provided links, there is much more than a strong resemblance between them and your coin. https://goccf.com/t/79206&SearchTer...chine,damagehttp://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...chine,damagehttp://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...chine,damagehttp://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...chine,damagehttp://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...chine,damagehttp://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...chine,damagehttp://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...chine,damagehttp://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...chine,damagehttp://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...chine,damage |
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Post mint damage. My 2 cents. The first link claims that she found one coin several years ago and now has found another exactly the same. Shame she didn't post pictures of both coins. It looks like there is a tell tale ring around the coin in those picture The second link does not look like the first link, so a die variety would be out of te question. I took one of te pictures and pasted it below, along with a picture of my 1960 dime. You can see where the orginal die made the detail '0' on the surface of the coin where it should be before the material was pushed aside. I find it hard to believe a die would have been able to produce such a coin. I don't recall which link showed it better, but the '1' in '10 cents' appears to be pointed on the bottom. It should be blunt. The angle is similar to what would be expected if you drew a ring around the coin from the middle of the '0' in 1960. Mine  Theirs  Again, just my 2 cents. |
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Thanks to all ! I agree with your conclusion : PMD . |
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Five senior numismatists have checked my coin ( second link ), last weekend, and nobody have concluded with a damage in circulation : no sign on the coin to confirm this conclusion.
Just curious- were they coin dealers or error attribution specialists? There is a big difference between the two groups and the vast majority of dealers I have encountered do not know squat about errors. This should be an obvious one to figure out for anyone well-versed in errors as it is certainly not an uncommon damage phenomenon. |
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Absolutely PMD. Die variety? NO! I know the mint does weird things sometimes,but doesn't logic tell you "Why would the mint make and use a die with a warped 0 like that?" IMHO I am not bashing/slandering anyone.This is just my opinion.This is a great forum and have learned a lot from it.From my experience,I HAD many coins I wanted to post for info but didn't bother after doing research.(Mostly from this forum)I think sometimes some of us.(At least myself) get a "special one"that is unique,one of a kind,etc.,only it turns out to be WISHFUL THINKING or HOPEFUL,THIS IS IT! Thanks for letting me ramble on. Just my 1 cent worth  Again P L E A S E don`t take this as a slander or insult! JUST IMHO.  Edited by collectall
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