1944-S Lincoln Wheat Cent / LWC Doubled Die Obverse / DDO ?

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leonardpusher Valued Member United States 160 Posts	Posted 03/19/2011 12:44 am first look at this coin reminds me of 1943 ddo-fat wide 9 foot. is it DDO? thanks and have a nice weekend. Report this Post to the Staff

leonardpusher Valued Member United States 160 Posts	Posted 03/19/2011 12:58 am WOW...I even found a S in date 1! Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 03/19/2011 01:56 am The mark on the 1 is not a S mint mark. Look at the size of the mint mark and the size of the mark the arrows are pointing. There is no way a punch that large could make a mark on the 1 that small. It is probably just a gouge or crack.chip starting in that area. The 9 is something to look at. It could be a doubled die, or it could be circulation damage. Depending on how much of a hit it may have taken. But I am leaning towrd a class VI doubled die. The reason I mentioned damage is the marks on the date and mint mark show some contact. You might check coppercoins.com to see if there are any listed and see if you can find a match. (Your biggest clue is the mint mark location.) Report this Post to the Staff
leonardpusher Valued Member United States 160 Posts	Posted 03/19/2011 8:26 pm Thanks coop, found similar one on coppercoins.com, 1944s-1do-004 (class 6), unfortunately I caint get my coin matched other marks: http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds Speaking of the S on the 1, I have to agree with you... Edited by leonardpusher 03/19/2011 8:30 pm Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 03/19/2011 8:32 pm Well it's not from that die. The other digits of the date have different looking digits from you coin. Even the mint mark central area is different. But it still looks interesting. The questionable damage might be the cause or it might be the real deal. I just can tell for sure from the images provided. The inside upper loop of the 9 appears to be a die chip in that area. Edited by coop 03/19/2011 8:33 pm Report this Post to the Staff
leonardpusher Valued Member United States 160 Posts	Posted 03/19/2011 9:33 pm if the level of 9 is uneven, is that the sign of damage? btw, the eye area of this coin looks doubling too like 1944s-1do-003: http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 03/20/2011 03:11 am It could be a doubled eye or die polishing/even die flow. Some times hard to tell what WAS there when the coin was new and what happened it after years of circulation. The angle on your eye lid looks correct, so I would save it for now. But if you looks at the devices for that die number, the 9 in the date is normal un like your coin. I like it when you can find a BU coin with a very strong eye lid! Of course this one is a VERY strong example that I found. Report this Post to the Staff
UniqueDesigns New Member United States 2 Posts	Posted 01/03/2012 12:01 am I Googled this 1944S DDO I own and found your post. Here are picts of mine. The doubling is very pronounced on my specimen, but the Date's #s have similar shifting thickness & direction as yours and the other pierce you found. I always thought mine might be a double strike, since it was not yet listed in Cherry Pickers or anywhere else. I couldn't imagine a true Doubled Die has not been found for this date until now. I can imagine why mine is so doubled and yours shows only the same widths without any signs of secondary imagery. Yours doesn't appear to be so worn that the doubling has been rubbed out. The rest of the lettering on mine looks pretty similar to yours, though. However, the other specimen you referenced looks as though its S is rotated a little more clockwise than ours. It actually looks like these 3 may be completely different from each other. Edited by UniqueDesigns 01/03/2012 12:48 am Report this Post to the Staff
jbuj Valued Member United States 126 Posts	Posted 01/03/2012 01:48 am I am by no means an expert, but the double strike you speak of looks or is MD ( Machine Doubling). I have become very familiar with these. It seems like I am a magnet for them. To be honest I keep the extreme ones but they hold little or no value but that of the coin itself. Others may have more to say. Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 01/03/2012 06:34 am UniqueDesigns ,your coin is Machine Doubling. John1 Report this Post to the Staff
BJ Neff Pillar of the Community United States 526 Posts	Posted 01/03/2012 08:06 am When the mint mark and the date have the same doubling, especially in the same direction as yours does, it is 100% Machine Doubling. The first picture on this post appears to have been hit, which makes the 9 digit as well as the top of the S mint mark a bit wider. I believe this to be PMD. BJ Neff Edited by BJ Neff 01/03/2012 08:08 am Report this Post to the Staff
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1944-S LWC DDO?