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1994 Class V Doubled Die Reverse Cddr-003 WDDR-003

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 Posted 03/25/2011  12:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add liveandievarieties to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There's nothing to look up, one can estimate or guess, but you'll never hear me give out "possible" population figures. All I can tell you about is the examples I've held in my hand or absolutely know to exist. There "could be" a million of them, but they "could" have been burned in a horrible armored truck accident, or any number of imaginable variables. I'm not at all being sarcastic, just trying to illustrate what I'm saying, I appreciate the question coppertop. Sure you can guesstimate and speculate, but ultimately- if this variety were as had a population like the '95 DDO, we'd know.

That IS one of the most amazing things- I've never heard of this coin before, let alone looked for one. Then 2 drop in my lap from different sources, a cherrypicker and a customer, inside the same week. Luck and synchronicity aside, I think it'd be safe to call a very scarce coin. I'm certainly not aware of any hoards of this existing, though BU rolls are plentiful. It'll be fun to watch.

For the sake of discussion can anyone tell me "how many" 1927 DDOs were made? Or 1917 DDOs? Nobody knows, that's why you're called a cherrypicker not a bean counter!
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 Posted 03/25/2011  01:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've heard Chuck say plenty of times that they don't keep records of each die's mintage run or when they are retired. All they know is how many in total.

So, if this is another contest, I'll go with:
x 1972 DDO's and
y for 1917 DDO's.

Thanks!
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 Posted 03/25/2011  01:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wolf-n-wa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OOOO! I like algebra.

2XY-1972y=1917X(X)squared
Hey, liveanddievarieties: Love what your doing here with the varieties, and all the great info. Thanks for sharing man. WOLF
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 Posted 03/25/2011  03:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppertop5150 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ok guys I was not sure if die records were kept dates put into minting and taking out.

or were dies used in order like 1 was replaced by 2 then 2 replaced by 3 and so on.

Then if any markers were on a certain coin. Someone could say that die was used during the middle of minting and had a full run then thrown out are x amount of months and guess at how many coins it might have minted
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 Posted 03/25/2011  03:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add liveandievarieties to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks so much Wolf! I'm really just trying to be open and honest with what I've learned to be true, I won't blow out a bunch of "opinions". I also get to learn a lot about what type of collector likes which niche in varieties.
There are some Class V DD collectors reading this, and there seem to be a lot of coin damage enthusiasts in some of the other posts. (soapbox post inevitable)
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 Posted 03/25/2011  03:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add liveandievarieties to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with you Wolf- IF there were a very late die state specimen located, one could logically conclude that the coin could have had a full die run. Don't quote me, but I think that's something like 1 to 1.25 Million cents, I could be off. Point being that there are no finite numbers kept by the mint in relation to specific dies.
In fact, when a doubled die is found, The Mint is usually surprised by the revalation. I remember when the 1995P DDO was discovered early in the year, USA Today noted that the Mint stated a doubled die wasn't possible because of their new hubbing process!

Let's say that this coin becomes a well publicized variety and the latest state known to exist is MDS. How do you judge with accuracy within hundreds of thousands? There are so many variables that go into die wear- One die has a quantity of clashes, a number of strikes of foreign objects like feeder fingers and is polished and refurbished several times to extend it's life. The die next to it has no issues at all and lives a long and happy Die Life. Both are going to reach a state that will be able to be identified as late die state, just before catastrophic failure. But die #1 may only produce half the quantity of what #2 did.

I hope that makes sense, but if you don't follow, it's probably my fault.
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 Posted 03/25/2011  04:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppertop5150 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
liveand die makes sens... diff dies wear out at diff rates... You can only guess what a die can mint or did mint
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 Posted 03/25/2011  04:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add liveandievarieties to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Heck yeah! Finding the stuff is luck + knowledge + experience. That why my life is a constant treasure hunt! I get to pick BU rolls, and there is absolutely no way to know what's going to pop up. Every bit as random as the everyday occurrences in the life of any die.
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