Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. Royal Estate Auctions - $1 Coin AuctionsCoin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Specializing in Modern Numismatics 300,000 items to help build your collection! Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

1799 Draped Bust

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 26 / Views: 3,428Next Topic
Page: of 2
Rest in Peace
coinguybrian's Avatar
United States
5375 Posts
 Posted 03/25/2011  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think its fake, but its a good one. The details and wear pattern look slightly off in my opinion. I could be wrong.
Moderator
Learn More...
SsuperDdave's Avatar
United States
23522 Posts
 Posted 03/25/2011  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hang on, guys. You didn't catch something.

The photographs were stolen from the currently-running ebay auction of an experienced seller.

The coin that seller is offering may well be genuine; he has an excellent selling record. His price is way too high, but that's not the issue. The issue is that his pictures are being used by an unrelated individual on Craigslist. Ain't no way it's real.
Pillar of the Community
Prethen's Avatar
United States
3234 Posts
 Posted 03/26/2011  02:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The fact that the coin is raw is a major red flag. Is it possible it's real? Sure. But, I wouldn't put my good money down on it.
Pillar of the Community
3660 Posts
 Posted 03/26/2011  08:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Now here are the facts:

For those who buy into the idea that the coin might have an altered date, consider this: 1799 was by far the most common date for this type of coin (like removing the mm off of a 1916D dime).... it didn't happen.

For those who think that it could be "fake", consider this: Just because you personally are unfamiliar with the type, (and it is raw) does not mean it is counterfeit..... I don't know much about anything else, but I am familiar with early dollars and early halves, and this coin is most definitely genuine.

For those who think that the Craigslist photo was stolen from ebay, you are jumping to conclusions way too fast.... consider this: The ebay seller (located in Houston) and the Houston Craigslist seller are one and the same person.

If you had been continuously running the same auction on ebay for 2 1/2 years without any luck, might you not try other venues of sale? That is what you are misinterpreting here.

Granted, the coin is raw, it is a common date, and grossly over priced, but there has been no theft of pictures, and the coin is kosher..... Some folks just like to go fishing and have tons of patience.... The seller is just trying different fishing holes (that's all).
Moderator
Learn More...
SsuperDdave's Avatar
United States
23522 Posts
 Posted 03/26/2011  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fair enough, zeewool. I made my points based on this statement from the OP:


Quote:
The seller is not the seller on ebay and states "Picture is of exact coin and it has been kept in a coin holder for as long as I have owned it."


I would caution you, though - although the coin looks decent in the weak images provided, there is absolutely insufficuent evidence to pronounce it genuine with any degree of certainty.
Pillar of the Community
3660 Posts
 Posted 03/26/2011  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The die is the die...... but, whatever.
Moderator
Learn More...
SsuperDdave's Avatar
United States
23522 Posts
 Posted 03/26/2011  5:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not all forgeries come from "scratch-built" dies. Some are the offspring of dies created by pressing an existing coin, and if tooled properly, will be identical in appearance to a genuine example. It's with this in mind that I express something less than certainty about the OP's coin. The best way to make a convincing counterfeit is to mildly tool a pressed coin into an example more circulated-appearing than the original donor.

1799 was the greatest issue of Dollar mintage until 1860-O. It's not hard to believe that an example found its' way into the hands of a determined counterfeiter during the 200 years hence. The OP's coin could be half a century old or more, even if it's counterfeit, and I'm not saying it is.
Rest in Peace
coinguybrian's Avatar
United States
5375 Posts
 Posted 03/26/2011  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It still looks a little bit off to me, but like I said, I could be wrong because I haven't owned any (and haven't looked at the series as much as Seated coins). I've seen some scary good counterfeits.
Pillar of the Community
3660 Posts
 Posted 03/26/2011  8:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay Dave, your point is not lost on me...... I understand and accept it.

Shadow, there are a whole lot of experienced collectors who cannot tell the difference between draped dollars and a halves by pictures.
Valued Member
markj11's Avatar
United States
134 Posts
 Posted 03/28/2011  09:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markj11 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The craigslist seller is not the ebay seller. About 500 miles from Houston and $2000 difference in price. I emailed the craigslist seller asking why they were using pictures from ebay and never heard back. Thanks.
Pillar of the Community
3660 Posts
 Posted 03/28/2011  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, I am most likely mistaken then Mark..... (Could have just as easily gone the other way though).
  Previous TopicReplies: 26 / Views: 3,428Next Topic
Page: of 2

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.35 seconds to rattle this change. Forums