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Pillar of the Community
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How is a fake (not saying this one is) like this made; does someone actually press a metal blank, and then make it look worn? Or take a different (more common?) year and change it to 1799? Seems like a lot of work for someone to do, and I woulda thought evidence of that would show, like a heat mark or something that indicated rework. I have a 1798 that I bought 15 yrs or so back, and this thread is depressing me. I'll put that one up as soon as I've gained the technical expertise.
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If it is a fake, it's admittedly throwing me off a bit.
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Valued Member
United States
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@JackB it depends on the coin. This sort of coin would be minted as a fake (if fake), then mechanically worn (or simply minted to look worn). Others, where the coin type is common enough, but a given date/mm rare, you might find altered-date coins. Don't get depressed. As long as coins have been made, people have been making fakes. That's neither new, nor particular to US coins. |
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Thanks Wei Fun - in all the years I've purchased coins, I guess naively, I've never thought once about a coin being a numismatic fake; cleaned coins yeah, maybe a slider stuck in there and misrepresented, but not a counterfeit. Now I read about Chinese fakes all over the place, kinda scary. I really shouldn't be surprised; I'm always telling others there are thieves anywhere money is concerned (just watch the news), so why not where there is actual 'money' involved!
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I think its fake, but its a good one. The details and wear pattern look slightly off in my opinion. I could be wrong.
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Hang on, guys. You didn't catch something. The photographs were stolen from the currently-running ebay auction of an experienced seller. The coin that seller is offering may well be genuine; he has an excellent selling record. His price is way too high, but that's not the issue. The issue is that his pictures are being used by an unrelated individual on Craigslist. Ain't no way it's real. |
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The fact that the coin is raw is a major red flag. Is it possible it's real? Sure. But, I wouldn't put my good money down on it.
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Now here are the facts: For those who buy into the idea that the coin might have an altered date, consider this: 1799 was by far the most common date for this type of coin (like removing the mm off of a 1916D dime).... it didn't happen.For those who think that it could be "fake", consider this: Just because you personally are unfamiliar with the type, (and it is raw) does not mean it is counterfeit..... I don't know much about anything else, but I am familiar with early dollars and early halves, and this coin is most definitely genuine.
For those who think that the Craigslist photo was stolen from ebay, you are jumping to conclusions way too fast.... consider this: The ebay seller (located in Houston) and the Houston Craigslist seller are one and the same person. If you had been continuously running the same auction on ebay for 2 1/2 years without any luck, might you not try other venues of sale? That is what you are misinterpreting here. Granted, the coin is raw, it is a common date, and grossly over priced, but there has been no theft of pictures, and the coin is kosher..... Some folks just like to go fishing and have tons of patience.... The seller is just trying different fishing holes (that's all). |
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Fair enough, zeewool. I made my points based on this statement from the OP: Quote:The seller is not the seller on ebay and states "Picture is of exact coin and it has been kept in a coin holder for as long as I have owned it." I would caution you, though - although the coin looks decent in the weak images provided, there is absolutely insufficuent evidence to pronounce it genuine with any degree of certainty. |
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The die is the die...... but, whatever.
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Not all forgeries come from "scratch-built" dies. Some are the offspring of dies created by pressing an existing coin, and if tooled properly, will be identical in appearance to a genuine example. It's with this in mind that I express something less than certainty about the OP's coin. The best way to make a convincing counterfeit is to mildly tool a pressed coin into an example more circulated-appearing than the original donor.
1799 was the greatest issue of Dollar mintage until 1860-O. It's not hard to believe that an example found its' way into the hands of a determined counterfeiter during the 200 years hence. The OP's coin could be half a century old or more, even if it's counterfeit, and I'm not saying it is.
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Rest in Peace
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It still looks a little bit off to me, but like I said, I could be wrong because I haven't owned any (and haven't looked at the series as much as Seated coins). I've seen some scary good counterfeits. |
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Okay Dave, your point is not lost on me...... I understand and accept it.
Shadow, there are a whole lot of experienced collectors who cannot tell the difference between draped dollars and a halves by pictures.
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The craigslist seller is not the ebay seller. About 500 miles from Houston and $2000 difference in price. I emailed the craigslist seller asking why they were using pictures from ebay and never heard back. Thanks. |
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Oh, I am most likely mistaken then Mark..... (Could have just as easily gone the other way though).
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