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Does this coin look correct? What would it grade?   |
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mark: I'm by no means an expert, but I've been looking into getting a 1798 or 1799 bust dollar and have certainy been concerned about fakes. Is this one that has come up for sale? Is the seller reputable? Or is it in hand, in which case have you weighed it (although there is a famous fake out there that does weigh and test correctly). In my (very non-expert) opinion, I feel like this is a fake. It seems a bit too good to be true. The surface also looks a little bit oddly flat. Definitely, definitely wait for someone else to chime in though. EDIT: Found it on ebay - the seller does have a good # of sales, with great reviews, and other high dollar value sales. That would definitely boost my confidence in it a little. Edited by mshev
03/25/2011 11:43 am
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I don't see anything glaringly wrong with the details.
If authentic, I think this would grade about VF-20
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I'm inclined to agree with fenton. With that said, those are ebay photos, and there are very few ebay sellers indeed who I'd buy a raw early Dollar from. One must assume it's fake, and be convinced otherwise. |
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Quote:EDIT: Found it on ebay - the seller does have a good # of sales, with great reviews, and other high dollar value sales. That would definitely boost my confidence in it a little. As did I. Not all fakes are being sold by dishonest sellers - some are good enough to deceive a dealer. With that said, the point is moot, anyways - the price is significantly higher than the coin's retail worth. That's about a $2000 coin in a PCGS VF20 slab, assuming it doesn't get a Details grade which would lop another $500 off the value. For the money asked, I expect an XF coin in a righteous slab. |
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Haha, thanks. That tells me enough. The seller is not the seller on ebay and states "Picture is of exact coin and it has been kept in a coin holder for as long as I have owned it." |
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Both very valid points, Dave! Mark: Are you implying someone else swiped the photos off ebay and posted it for sale elsewhere? Or did I misinterpret that? Edited by mshev
03/25/2011 12:40 pm
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Quote:Haha, thanks. That tells me enough. The seller is not the seller on ebay and states "Picture is of exact coin and it has been kept in a coin holder for as long as I have owned it." Heh. OK, this thread just swerved from "education" to "  " |
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One must assume it's fake, and be convinced otherwise.
Some serious wisdom right there!  That goes for many (all) high dollar coins on ebay. |
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The coin looks almost too good. Questionable.
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QUOTE = "Mark: Are you implying someone else swiped the photos off ebay and posted it for sale elsewhere? Or did I misinterpret that?" Yep, this is on craigslist. |
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You will find the wisdom here to be of a high quality. My advise would be to listen to SuperDave. Do yourself a favor let this one go. The high dollsr stuff you need to see in person and buy in a reputable slab. Now this is just my opinon.
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How is a fake (not saying this one is) like this made; does someone actually press a metal blank, and then make it look worn? Or take a different (more common?) year and change it to 1799? Seems like a lot of work for someone to do, and I woulda thought evidence of that would show, like a heat mark or something that indicated rework. I have a 1798 that I bought 15 yrs or so back, and this thread is depressing me. I'll put that one up as soon as I've gained the technical expertise.
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If it is a fake, it's admittedly throwing me off a bit.
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@JackB it depends on the coin. This sort of coin would be minted as a fake (if fake), then mechanically worn (or simply minted to look worn). Others, where the coin type is common enough, but a given date/mm rare, you might find altered-date coins. Don't get depressed. As long as coins have been made, people have been making fakes. That's neither new, nor particular to US coins. |
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Thanks Wei Fun - in all the years I've purchased coins, I guess naively, I've never thought once about a coin being a numismatic fake; cleaned coins yeah, maybe a slider stuck in there and misrepresented, but not a counterfeit. Now I read about Chinese fakes all over the place, kinda scary. I really shouldn't be surprised; I'm always telling others there are thieves anywhere money is concerned (just watch the news), so why not where there is actual 'money' involved!
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Posted 03/25/2011 11:12 am
