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goin with ms64...but what do I know...know I like it  |
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PCGS MS-60/61PL. Remember, they're market grading. Besides the chatter, the prints figure into that, too.
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If ever there was an accurate photograph of *stupid* reflectivity without reflecting anything, this is it.  There's no way I'd want to stare at this coin while it was reflecting direct sunlight. Would not be surprised by MS64DMPL, although 63 is my opinion. I'd pay strong PL money for this one, just based on these photos. |
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Are the fingerprints on the coin or the holder?  o well, I'll take a stab at MS-63 PL. And by the way, awesome pics, lots of detail |
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The fingerprints are on the coin. They're actually one of the reasons I'm so willing to think the coin is DMPL - fingerprints do not show up so clearly on coins of normal luster.
This one's a headlight.
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It's not going to get a slightly circulated grade because of the many fingerprints? (Sorry, I am VERY inexperienced at grading uncirculated or proof coins..lol)
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It's not going to get a slightly circulated grade because of the many fingerprints? No; the presence of fingerprints is not a smoking-gun indicator of circulation. Having been physically handled by someone down through the years isn't the same as using the coin in commerce. There are those who would consider the presence of fingerprints in grading, especially in the range of MS65 and above; my guess with this one is, in-hand, you won't care about the fingerprints. |
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Here she is. Most of you were pretty close or right on the money. Those who graded lower, I would have agreed with. Still trying to hone my grading skills and that's why I posted this. Why does this coin rate MS64? The DMPL is almost a given but with all the fingerprints on both sides, I'm at a loss. Don't they grade down for that or would it have graded higher without the prints? eddiespin mentioned market grading--would it have been graded lower on a technical basis? Final thing I'm wondering about is would the prints have come off with acetone? Thanks...  |
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I would guess MS-64DMPL
Great Looking Coin! I love the cameo look.
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Why does this coin rate MS64? The DMPL is almost a given but with all the fingerprints on both sides, I'm at a loss. Don't they grade down for that or would it have graded higher without the prints? eddiespin mentioned market grading--would it have been graded lower on a technical basis? Final thing I'm wondering about is would the prints have come off with acetone? Thanks... It's 64 because it meets the standards held by PCGS for 64. I'd call that one grade high, but don't forget even lesser photographs present coins in a harsher light than the eye of the grader sees. If all you ever grade from is a photograph, you will never learn grading properly. However, there's an advantage to it - someone who learns to grade exclusively from photographs will be a very conservative grader. As I mentioned before, the fingerprints will likely not come in to play until 66 or so; they certainly do not affect my opinion of the grade of this coin. And, no, if you don't get them within hours/days after they're on the coin, acetone will not remove fingerprints. They're permanent now. |
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Once the oils from fingerprints set in, that's all she wrote, and you can damage a coin easily trying hopelessly to remove a fingerprint... That is one gorgeous coin, I really thought the fingerprints woul've held it back from DMPL...
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Nice one, Sidekick! Actually, the prints would be irrelevant to the technical grade; however, because they have a bearing on "eye appeal," and that's the benchmark in market grading, sometimes the coin will market grade lower for the prints.
Your lighting is very revealing, and I should have grasped that when I tried to grade the coin. I wasn't thinking, there.
Anyway, finally, when differentiating circulated from uncirculated, just think of evidence of circulation wear on the face of the coin. That's what they're talking about, there. On prints, specifically, they're evidence of handling on the face of the coin, not circulation wear on the face of the coin.
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Two small hits on the face, exceptional cameo. I say MS-65 DMPL. I think PCGS knocked it down one grade due to those prints. Can't fault them there. Some say PCGS doesn't care about prints but one can find many coins, otherwise pristine, in holders that seem to have been knocked down multiple grades:  Edited by fenton
03/27/2011 12:49 am
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Great coin that I put into the DMPL category before reading anything else. The fact that this coin was mishandeled does not take away from what it is, a prime example of a DMPL Morgan. I just wish I can go back in time and slap that person :-)
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