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 Posted 10/08/2006  6:05 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ralph to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm havin' a teeniny bit of trouble grading this one.
It has a fine film of something on it - surface dirt from circulation, or? It has great luster overall - even through the stuff.
I'd like to grade it MS, but, to me, it appears to have been lightly circulated - hairlines, breast, leaves in wreath - stuff like that. I inventoried it as an AU-58. Would y'all agree that is correct? Or am I off? And, if so, which way, and why? Thanks.

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 Posted 10/08/2006  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add B12 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It has wear.If it has enough luster I would agree AU58.
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 Posted 10/08/2006  10:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ralph, you picked a tough year to grade. The 1900 Morgans tend to be weakly struck although not as weak as typical New Orleans Morgans. Worse, luster for this year and Philly mint is generally poor and lifeless. I see none of the usual signs of circulation (e.g., marks which are not bag marks, traces of wear on the wing tips), even for a slider AU-58 It almost looks like the Eagle's breast might be a little frosted which will not be found in a slider. Based on the scan, I would have no problem labeling it an MS-62 or -63 (might go up to -64) since it has very few bag marks except, of course, on Liberty's cheek and jaw and two minor rim dings on the reverse. Most of the distractions in the fields are minor contact marks. The only question I would have is with what appears to be a water stain on the field right of Liberty's head that raises my suspicions. If it shows good luster as you state in your description (good description, by the way), it might be due to a chemical dip which might also account for the fine film. The '00(P) typically isn't supposed to have good luster**. Does the film feel oily or residue of some sort? (You might be able to tell better with either latex or cottom gloves; the film might attach to the gloves.) Nevertheless, I think you could get away with calling it Mint State. Of course, the only way to be certain is to send it off to a grading service, but you could get around this by sending it to moi .

Fred

**The differences in value between a 1900(P) MS-63 with typical dull luster and an MS-63 with Deep Mirror luster is $50 vs $2500, reflecting the uncommonality of high luster 1900s.
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Fred - I like your estimate a whole lot better than my own.
Yes, the mint luster is, indeed, there; however, this one appears dull in hand and in sunlight - just doesn't jump out at you.
As for what appears to be a water stain in the scan - in hand , and under magnification, it appears to be nothing more than rub. I was playing around with the scanner, trying to enhance the scan - reckon I'd best just leave it natural. Also, the red that shows in the scan is not there in hand - again, blame the old bird taking the scan.
It may be what I took to be circulation is really due to a weak strike. I ordered the RedBook of Morgans when the eagle flew on the first, so I'll gain a little better knowledge of the Morgan world after it comes in. Also got the Top 100 VAM book - no telling what I may find in my little collection.
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 Posted 10/09/2006  3:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This one definitely needs an in-hand evaluation to be sure. However, since I doubt Ralph is going to give it up.....

The only caveat I might add to Fred's excellent evaluation is that the darker areas (either luster breaks or, more likely, brighter areas since it's a scan) are presicely where I'd expect to see the very first signs of wear on a Morgan. The cap, the cheek, the leaves, the leading edges of the wings and the tips of the breast feathers.

In all honesty, if it were mine I'd be dropping this one into acetone for a day or two.
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