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Burgundy Toning On Mercury Dime

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 Posted 03/31/2011  10:45 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mshev to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
So I love toning - but have not seen this sort of coloring before. Not sure if it is natural or artificial - but for $9 I was willing to take the risk. It's very dark on both sides, but has a beautiful burgundy coloring when it catches the light, especially on the obverse. I unfortunately only have my phone with me now, so the pic is incredibly blurry - but does capture the coloring. Will post a better pic later. Does anyone have any idea if this sort of coloring is natural?

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And I figured I'd keep the old photo here because it won such a prestigious award from Carl...

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 Posted 03/31/2011  11:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's impossible to tell from that picture. Natural toning is a lengthy process as the metal reacts to its storage environment. That dime placed in a manila folder for 25 years could come out looking like that.

It takes a trained eye to determine the difference. AT looks blotchy and appear to float on the surface of the coin. Natural toning is more uniform in appearance and is integrated with the coins devices. With better (closer/sharper) pictures we may be able to determine if this one was natural or "accelerated".
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 Posted 03/31/2011  11:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mshev to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm a bit overly excited about it and wanted to get a pic up ASAP - I'll definitely have a better one up later. This photo definitely only functions to show the coloring.

I do have some experience with toned coins - but typically stick to the sorts of colors I'm much more familiar with in order to eliminate the risk of questionable toning.
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 Posted 03/31/2011  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mshev to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In the meantime, here's another recent purchase I made...

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 Posted 03/31/2011  11:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That one is really pretty, at least.
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 Posted 03/31/2011  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First I'd like to congradulate you on one of the worst photos posted here in a long time. Well maybe not the all time but sure is blurry. Regardless, Silver tones to all sorts of gasses differently. Oxygen, Flourine, Chlorine, Sulfur Oxides and on and on. From what I can see it appears someone was drinking a Manhattan, breathed on that coin, stored it away in the oven.
It appears to be a 1936 for $8.95 or a 1816 for that price. Really need a better photo. Carefully take it out of the flip. Do not touch the coin since you could ruin that toning. From what I see so far it does appear to be really excessively toned and by what is really difficult to tell.
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 Posted 03/31/2011  12:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
that's natural. my guess is the first one is, too.
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 Posted 03/31/2011  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First one looks weird, it almost looks like 'terminator toning'
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 Posted 03/31/2011  6:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newbismatic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely strange toning, as I haven't seen any like that before.
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That was my problem too - I'm definitely not comfortable saying it's natural because I haven't seen natural like that. But it doesn't look obviously artificial either. I'll also note that it does not smell like sulfur.
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 Posted 03/31/2011  7:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IMO The first photo in your post (the burgundy) looks pretty consistent with the way silver can darken over time. It has a natural tenancy to go black. If it sat undisturbed for a long time in a slightly acid environment it could be NT. Do you know where it's been? If it's AT I have to say it's a beautiful job. I like the way it looks.

The 3rd photo looks like it could be AT to me.
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I really like the toning on the reverse of the '45. Very dramatic.
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The 1936 looks AT to me and I don't believe it would pass muster at PCGS, NGC or ANACs.

The 1945 on the other hand would.
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 Posted 04/01/2011  09:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lukkyseven to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
May I say this - this is why in the future I will collect Mercury dimes. The toning that comes no these things, well it comes in so many different types. That 1945 you posted is my absolute favorite type on these coins. It's like someone is saying "check out the reverse on this coin"

The original coin, in my opinion (which isn't a great one) is natural. My father has some Roosies in an album that have toned really dark over time. His are gritty and unattractive unfortunately. I think yours is pretty cool and worth throwing in a 2x2 to hold onto.
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 Posted 04/01/2011  09:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mshev to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all who have commented so far! The 1945-S is actually already in an NGC slab - MS-68, although it'd be a MS-67 by PCGS standards.
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 Posted 04/01/2011  10:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The 1936 looks AT to me and I don't believe it would pass muster at PCGS, NGC or ANACs.

The 1945 on the other hand would.

I'm far from a toned coin fan but I like just the opposite of the above. As already noted teh 45 is already graded but I still like the uniqueness of the 36 much more. Again, not fan of toning but if a coin is toned, I would prefer it to be different.
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