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Lincoln Cent Error Or Damage?

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 Posted 04/18/2011  6:07 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Changeless to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was under the impression that "Die Adjustment Strike" resulted in a weak design. I am having trouble picturing what causes this. Is it properly and "error" or is there a better technical term?

Thanking you all in advance for reading this.

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04/19/2011 07:34 am
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 Posted 04/18/2011  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ikandiggit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Let some of the others chime in, because I'd like to get verification of this.

If this is an "error", then I have several thousands of dollars worth because a lot of the earlier cents 20' and 30's were like this. It'll take some time to locate them because I just tossed them into buckets. But, if I get a chance later, I'll see if I can dig some up.
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 Posted 04/19/2011  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A die adjustment strike is a very, VERY weak strike on a coin that was struke while the pressure of the press was being adjusted. Most often they will pretty much look like blank planchets with just a couple of details showing through. The details that will show are going to be those that are the lowest on the coin, because those are the highest on the die. Usually this will be the outline around the bust.

Die adjustment strikes are scarce - they do not show up often at all, and are considered striking errors because they were supposed to be removed from the press by whomever is tooling the adjustment. They sometimes fall into the bins of finished coins, and the trouble of digging them out was more than the worker believed important.

The example below, ripped from www.coinfacts.com for educational purposes, is a Peace dollar. Note how ONLY the lowest parts of the design on the coin (and some detail around the outer edge) show up.

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Very VERY often people mistake simple Grease Filled Dies for die adjustment strikes. The MAIN difference between the two is that with a Grease Filled Die the strike is not incomplete, it just has stuff obstructing the details. Thus, the rims will be complete on the Grease Filled Die. Grease Filled Dies will also show details that are deeper in the die, and the missing details could be those that would strike up completely even with a weaker strike. This is because the actual pressure of the strike has nothing at all to do with what details are missing. With die adjustment strikes, it is ALL about the lack of pressure in striking a coin, so the details that do strike up are only the highest on the die.

Below is a Grease Filled Die quarter that shows up in a web search for die adjustment strike - like I said, a LOT of people cannot tell the difference, and it's actually easy:

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04/19/2011 09:34 am
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 Posted 04/19/2011  09:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay, I have no clue why the images are not working.
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 Posted 04/19/2011  5:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Changeless to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I decided instead to photograph one of my own examples, so I will repost the topic once I get this done.. but the example .... n the image of Lincoln is clearly seen as a bulge on the reverse. Not a distinct outline with sharp edges... rather a rounded bulge, but clearly difining the image of lincoln (upside down) on the reverse.
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The terms "die adjustment strike", "die trial", and "set-up piece" reflect an assumption concerning their origin that is unprovable. The term is therefore indefensible. Unless you were there to witness the strike, there is no way to determine whether a weak strike represents an escapee from a test run or is the product of spontaneous equipment malfunction. My studies of weak strike abundance, distribution relative to planchet thickness, and their association with other striking errors indicates that the vast majority of weak strikes in the marketplace are simply the product of equipment malfunction. The two proximate causes are insufficient ram pressure and insufficient die approximation (excessive minimum die clearance). Ultimate cause can be almost anything you might imagine -- a jam-up in the guts of the press, a broken knuckle joint, a broken circuit breaker, a cracked press frame, a slack press frame, a mistimed hammer die or anvil die, a broken cam shaft, and yes, an escapee from a test run. Weak strikes can occur immediately before or after a normal strike and therefore represent a self-correcting problem in many cases.

Note: I don't know why the word cam has been automatically turned into a link. There's nothing I can do about it.
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04/20/2011 08:51 am
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 Posted 04/21/2011  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mike - that's a glossary issue in the automatic post editor that happens to all posts. Since Close AM cents are very often referred to as CAM, they made it a defined term in the glossary and the programming is set to search for defined terms and link them to the definition. Same thing happens with DDO, RPM, and other abbreviations.
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