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Indian1 Pillar of the Community United States 3640 Posts	Posted 04/21/2011 8:52 pm Not that is probably matters (as far as a coins value etc.) But in our world of acronyms, we use PMD By who and when was this term coined (punpun:) And how was it decided exactly about it's true meaning ? Is it post mint (left the mint) - post punch (still at the mint) - post packed (after rolling/packaged) or post officed ? I would think anything that happened to a blank/planchet before and up to the actual punch would not be PMD period naturally. Then from die ejection forward (coin), would be PMD. So maybe Post Punch Damage would be a more accurate term. Just what we need huh ? another acronymn PPD Unless of course post mint mean't post minted. Report this Post to the Staff

coppercoins Pillar of the Community United States 7629 Posts	Posted 04/22/2011 12:03 am As far as I know the abbreviation PMD was invented right here. But to accurately respond to your question, the term 'mint' is a verb in this case that describes the actual striking of the coin. It is not used as a noun to describe the building. So, to make it more literal, you might say it is 'post minting damage.' either way it describes anything that happened to the coin after it left the coining press - to include packaging. Report this Post to the Staff
Indian1 Pillar of the Community United States 3640 Posts	Posted 04/22/2011 09:26 am Interesting, Thanks. Come to think of it I never heard the term used before over the years. Out in public in person I try not to use acronymns. Unless it's with a knowledgable coin person. Many of your own descriptive terminology has been very helpful. Helps others understand much easier the processes etc. Report this Post to the Staff
coppercoins Pillar of the Community United States 7629 Posts	Posted 04/22/2011 09:57 am I guess it is not often that we use the same word as a verb and a noun, which is where the confusion evidently happened here. We mint coins in the mint. Sounds a bit odd, but it's true. Compound that by also using the same word as an adjective - mint state. Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 04/22/2011 10:41 am Oddly enough "Coin" is another word that is used both as a verb and a noun. As a noun it is of course a metal piece of money. As a verb it means "to create" as in to coin a word. (Or as more confusingly in the Constitution where Congress is given the power "to coin money, and regulate the value theroof.". Most people assume that it meant they could only coin gold or silver, but it actually means they have the power to create money and regulate its value.) Report this Post to the Staff
coppercoins Pillar of the Community United States 7629 Posts	Posted 04/22/2011 4:16 pm In a number of cases that I can recollect it would seem that using a new word altogether would have been more sensible than using a term that means 'pretty much' what we describe. For instance, the term 'uncirculated' simply means 'no-wear' - but a number of people seem to believe the coin could have never ben in circulation in order to be 'uncirculated' - which we know simply isn't true, although literally it would mean just that. Another noun/verb combination that confuses many - 'hub'. You create a hub using a die, but you hub a die using a hub. Even describing the process using accepted terms gets confusing. Especially considering the fact that the process goes back and forth between hubs and dies in a pyramid of reproduction to get the final working dies that create the coins. Heck, I have seen even simple English become confusing for many (like the difference between to, too, and two - the difference between their, there, and they're), then we throw words that change meaning with parts of speech into the mix and the whole thing gets kinda confusing. But I still stand by my theory that if I was able to understand it all at 11 years old, anyone should be able to muddle through it...but the process of TEACHING the material should be done using the same terms across the board. The 'experts' who use terms interchangeably simply grind at my nerves because they help muddy the waters they claim to be clearing. Report this Post to the Staff
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