Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
300,000 items to help build your collection! Specializing in Modern Numismatics Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Royal Estate Auctions - $1 Coin AuctionsJoin Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

"But I Hate Doing Math!"

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 4 / Views: 1,688Next Topic  
Rest in Peace
biggfredd's Avatar
United States
9104 Posts
 Posted 04/22/2011  06:53 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Let's be realistic, most people fog over when confronted with even simple math problems. If they're selling silver or gold, anything past $xx.xx per dollar face, and you might as well be talking root canal work.

What inspired this post was someone mentioning midwestrefineries as a good place to sell, except they don't take 40%. Another poster said providentmetals bought 40%.

Life would be simple if they paid as much for nine 40% halves as four 90%, but that ain't happening. For starters, there's 8.7% more silver in the 90%, even though you'd think they were the same (40% halves are lighter).

Now let's calculate what PM pays. I don't care for opinions (ripoff or nice guys), just for the facts, from which people can draw their own confusions.

$1 in 90% halves weighs 0.8 oz and contains 0.7234 oz of silver.

$1 in 40% halves weighs 0.74 oz and contains 0.2958 oz of silver.

PM pays as follows:

90% Silver US coins Spot -$1.00 per Ounce
40% Silver US Kennedys Spot -$2.00 Per Ounce

Using $46.55 as spot, since it allows me to compare to posted prices at silvertowne:

$45.55 * 0.7234 = $32.95, ST = $30.86
$44.55 * 0.2958 = $13.18, ST = $11.96

Oddly enough, 1318/3295 = 0.4, where 40/90 = 0.444

So is PM a better deal than ST?

Not necessarily!

These figures would only be accurate for new coins. If you had a $1000 bag of 1964 Kennedies, the refinery buying on weight is obviously the better deal. A bag of used- silver coins is generally agreed to be 715 ounces, or $32.57 per dollar.

And we're not figuring costs like transportation or how fast you get paid (ST will cut you a check as quickly as they can count/weigh the coins).

If silver prices stay high, look for more major dealers to buy by weight, rather than count. After all, at $50 an ounce, the 8oz+ difference between new and typically worn circulated is over $400 a bag! $xx.xx per dollar face will only be used as an estimate, pending weighing the lot.

One last factor in the 90/40 battle.

If a 90% coin is worn to where 20% is gone, what's left is still 90% silver. The same is true of billon warnickels.

If a 40% half is worn to where 20% is gone, what's left might only be 20% silver, because the high silver content is in the outer layers, and is first to wear off.
Bedrock of the Community
BH1964's Avatar
United States
10982 Posts
 Posted 04/22/2011  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
If silver prices stay high, look for more major dealers to buy by weight, rather than count. After all, at $50 an ounce, the 8oz+ difference between new and typically worn circulated is over $400 a bag! $xx.xx per dollar face will only be used as an estimate, pending weighing the lot.


I'm at that point now. When buying or selling circulated silver coins, you really need to weigh them at these prices. When silver was $10-$15/oz? It wasn't nearly as big a deal especially if buying under $100 face value.

Nowadays, one roll of heavily circulated halves or quarters can be a full ounce underweight and that's $47 of silver! Put it this way: A MS roll of '64 Kennedy's has 7.23ozs of silver in it and is worth $340 melt. A heavily circulated roll of Barber halves in AG3/FR2 condition might only have 6.15ozs of silver in it and be worth $289!
ANA #R3154474
Pillar of the Community
Silverhawk74's Avatar
United States
3670 Posts
 Posted 04/22/2011  4:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is some impressive math Fredd. Funny, zero calculus or algebra needed to figure in this hobby, just simple applied math, but is it really so simple....

Math never was my strong point, but I have been a house league ice hockey goalie for 17 years, and have kept track of record, saves, goals allowed, save percentage, goals against average, etc. That is 498 starts, 268 wins, 200 loses and 30 ties or OT loses (last night I lost #200, lol). One of my old teams called me Rain-man, for this ridiculous tracking of numbers, but I felt I could always look back and see improvement, or lack there of. The answers you seek is always in the numbers eh, or so I believe....

As far as 90% to 40%, I have only added pure silver thus far, hoping to turn for more money down the road. Not to say I won't consider some 90%, esp after I read that formula like 12 times, lol....
Edited by Silverhawk74
04/22/2011 4:11 pm
Valued Member
AlmostCollectible's Avatar
United States
384 Posts
 Posted 04/22/2011  4:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AlmostCollectible to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
just for the facts, from which people can draw their own confusions


Definitely drawing my own confusions here.. good one.
Pillar of the Community
Ed_B's Avatar
United States
4008 Posts
 Posted 04/23/2011  03:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have decided not to exacerbate my "confusions", so won't be buying any 40% silver coins when I can just as easily buy some nice 90% and 100% coins.
  Previous TopicReplies: 4 / Views: 1,688Next Topic  

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.27 seconds to rattle this change. Forums