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1889 P Morgan ..... Don"T VAM It.

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Oh boy, here we go. I have a 1889-p Morgan that I recently purchased. I bought simply because I thought it was a good looking coin. Then I did a search here on the forum and came across a thread of a similar coin. Now I have a headache. Ha Ha. It was over my head, plain and simple.

I have read through Vamworld's Attribution 101 and need to read it a few more times.

I am wondering a few things. I look at Morgan vams like Lincoln varieties, only it's more in depth do to the coin's popularity and series age. Would anyone agree? Secondly, does a VAM command more of a premium over a non-vam or unattributed like coin. By like, I mean same year and mint. Lincoln cents do for the most part. But then again it's one cent.

i have a few pictures of points of interest in this coin. No need to VAM it, but is it something to pursue or is the coin a basic Morgan.

1889-P-Morgan-.....-Don

1889-P-Morgan-.....-Don

1889-P-Morgan-.....-Don

1889-P-Morgan-.....-Don
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 Posted 04/26/2011  12:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Every single Morgan is a VAM. Every single Morgan, like every single Lincoln, is a die variety of one sort or another. We don't know all of the Morgan varieties yet, and will certainly never know all of the Lincoln varieties. We may never succeed in identifying all Morgan die pairs.

This is a much more common practice with older US coinage than newer. Pretty much everything before Seated coinage has been conclusively attributed by die pair, and knowing the variety is part of collecting them.

Like all issues, some varieties are rarer than others. Some are in more demand. Either will cause the price for one to be higher than a more common or uninteresting variety.
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I'd like to see a pic of the whole coin, one way or another.

There is nothing prettier than a BU Morgan.

Well...almost nothing.
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the clash marks you are showing on the Reverse is pretty common on allot of different Morgans and will probably not be mentioned in the VAM attributes. You will have to look for doubling, die chips, die gouges or something to that effect to look for in the attributes to be able to start narrowing the specific VAM down. Most clashing isn't listed unless there is a letter transfer but this isn't always the case. The areas you are showing is just so common if it were mentioned it would have every new VAMer pulling their hair out trying to learn what VAM is what. Some VAM's add value and some doesn't add any value to the host coin, its just how much demand there is for that specific VAM. That is why allot of bigger dealers do not even try to VAM a Morgan because they feel its not worth their time once they VAM each coin they have they have allot of time invested and most will not add much if any value at all. They just figure that time could be used for something to make more money instead of trying to attribute each coin that they get into their inventory. These are the dealers I love to buy from but its because I know what VAM's I like when I see it and I don't have to buy their whole inventory to get it
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Thanks Bryan1315, I was wondering if those marks were common. It did seem like numerous different dated coins had similar markings, which is confusing. I only have a handful of Morgans and haven't decided if I'll pursue VAM'ing. It sounds tedious. The attribution guide I mentioned is hard to follow since there isn't much for pictured examples (hub types, lettering thickness) etc... I'll have to do some more reading and lurking.

At least I didn't get a " All I see is an ordinary Morgan"....
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