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 Posted 04/28/2011  6:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JackB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Takes some guts ctus, not to mention a bit of $$! Wish you luck, seems to be a steady rise...
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 Posted 04/28/2011  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oblakavshtanax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
well cts you need to consider how to get out of it, so I wouldn't bury it. just don't tell anyone you have it, and hide it in a very inconspicuous place in small batches...like put a roll under your trash bag in the can and one in your desktop computer, etc. etc.
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 Posted 04/28/2011  6:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add harrison2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you DO bury it...buy some non-ferrous "junk" to bury as well...it'll keep a snooping neighbor with a metal detector REAL busy if he decides to investigate. (Junk like an old brass faucet, copper fittings, etc)

Seriously though, keep some GOOD measurements if you DO decide to bury it. I have read about people with out the detector trying to find what they buried in the back yard 10 years later digging up half the yard before finding their goodies. That and write your name on something in the container!
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 Posted 04/28/2011  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Ed_B: We knew what a "stop loss" order was.

And that saved your...

I left the stock market in 1999. If I'd sat on my portfolio until today, it would be worth a third of what it was in 1999. At least I didn't have any Enrons in the mix (ie: all of my 1999 holdings would still have some value).
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 Posted 04/28/2011  7:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ctus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
what about a safety deposit box? I know it wouldn't be insured, but seems safe enough for most of it. Maybe keep a smaller stash around that I can get at, too.
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 Posted 04/28/2011  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add warsumm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a quick, potentially stupid question: Where are people selling their silver or planning on selling their silver to maximize profits? For instance, say one buys $50K worth of silver, in a year it is worth, say $100K. Where does one go to actually "make" the $50K profit? I personally have about 10 bucks in silver, but I know local dealers wont pay spot obviously and then with ebay, on a large tens-of-thousands like transaction, there would be heft fees from both ebay AND paypal. I figure people would to other people buying silver, like on Craigslist? Just curious. thanks!
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 Posted 04/28/2011  8:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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And that saved your... - DNA


Donkey? Burro? Mule? Something like that!

Indeed it did, which is exactly the reason for using such tools.


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I left the stock market in 1999. If I'd sat on my portfolio until today, it would be worth a third of what it was in 1999. At least I didn't have any Enrons in the mix (ie: all of my 1999 holdings would still have some value).
- DNA

In contrast, DNA, I stayed in the market and had decent but mixed results. I lost a chunk of money on paper in 2001 and again in 2008 but had some HUGE gains in 2003-2007. Over-all, it did not come out nearly as bad as the news would indicate. The trick with investing in the stock market is a bit like riding a roller coaster. The times that you are most likely to get hurt are when you jump in and out. By staying invested, a lot of the paper losses I had were never converted into REAL losses. A lot of people totally $crewed themselves by selling out at the market bottom (I was buying then) and converting their paper losses info real losses. The money that they lost was never recovered because they were out of the market when it roared back, which it virtually always does. By then, a lot of them were in savings accounts, bonds and CDs, none of which participated much in the stock market recovery.

But then... stock market investing is not for everyone... nor should it be. It is there for those who want it, understand it, and can tolerate the gyrations it has in exchange for the potential profits that can be made there. I made enough to retire comfortably at age 55, so am naturally biased in favor of doing it. I did study the market and various investing techniques for years before putting my money into it and that is a step that many would-be investors never do... and it can end up costing them.

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what about a safety deposit box? I know it wouldn't be insured, but seems safe enough for most of it. Maybe keep a smaller stash around that I can get at, too. - Ctus

A safety deposit box should be a pretty safe place to store small volumes of highly valued items. I don't know how all banks set up their SD box systems but my local credit union issues two and only two keys for each box. The bank keeps one and the customer keeps the other. Both are required to open the box. If I lose my key, the bank will have to call in a locksmith to drill out the old lock and install a new one because they have no way to open it without my key. Because of this, losing a key can be a spendy proposition. This is very secure, though, because no CU employee can open my SD box without my key.

One caveat is that different states have different laws that pertain to the SD box of a deceased person. In some states, once a person dies, their SD box is sealed and it can't be opened by anyone until a court appoints a trustee to open the box with a policeman and a bank officer present. The contents are examined, and only then can the court appointed trustee take anything from the box. They do have to sign a receipt for the item(s) removed from the box, which the bank keeps and sends a copy of to the local superior court. All this can be complicated but ensures the safety of the estate's assets. In other states, anyone named on the account can open the SD box IF they have a key and proper ID. Sometimes, the presentation of an official death certificate is required, sometimes not. Other rules are in force in other places, so be sure to question your bank, S&L, or CU for the laws that pertain in your jurisdiction before putting a lot of valuable stuff into a SD box. You want to make sure that in the event of your death, your family can open the box easily and quickly to recover the contents and that they will not be tied up for months or even years in a probate court proceeding.
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 Posted 04/28/2011  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westsea301 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with your post Ed in principle but after what we saw in the fall of 2008 I don't fault anyone for getting out of the market. This isn't the retail-friendly market of the 1990s anymore, its an insider's game where making money involves schemes, bailouts, and backroom deals. Its not enough to pick good companies anymore or follow the fundamentals, the market's rally depends on the Fed's good graces. If things crash, its up to the whims of the fatcats, for example, Paulson made sure that Goldman was completely bailed out and emerged unscathed, but wanted Bear and Lehman to suffer. Try being a retail investor and aligning your investments with their mood swings.

More simply, think of the demographics. The baby boom generation invested in the stock market throughout their adult life. Now they are retiring. The bulk of the U.S. population is done investing, they are living off of the interest (or working at Walmart because they got wiped out.) Add to that the falling dollar and general decline of the U.S. economy. Opportunities lie outside the U.S., primarily in Asia, but also in other emerging markets. People who've grown up in the good years of the U.S. stock market have seen it bounce back from numerous crises, however we all know past performance is no guarantee of future results.
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 Posted 04/28/2011  10:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I agree with your post Ed in principle but after what we saw in the fall of 2008 I don't fault anyone for getting out of the market.

Neither do I. I hope that I did not give the impression that I was thinking that. Whether or not to be in the market is a personal choice that has to be made in light of a person's particular situation. There certainly is not any 1-size-fits-all in this.


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This isn't the retail-friendly market of the 1990s anymore...

No, it isn't. It's a lot more violent, turbulent, and difficult to maneuver around in, no question. Still, it IS possible to invest in it AND make money doing it. It definitely is not easy and there is no doubt of that at all.


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Its not enough to pick good companies anymore or follow the fundamentals...

While that may not be enough anymore, it is certainly the place to start. When I invest, I look for strong companies with good balance sheets, great products, and a history of producing above average returns and dividends. From that pool of candidates, things get more interesting as the best ones are then picked for investing. I always have a stop loss order in place on any stock I buy and an exit strategy as well. If I get stopped out, so be it. At least I don't have a lot of potential for major losses in a market meltdown.


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Try being a retail investor and aligning your investments with their mood swings.

Better yet... knowing that the financial companies were up to their eye-balls in activities of dubious value, I refused to buy any of them... no banks, no insurance companies, no brokerages, etc. Clearly, they are not playing by the rules of free market capitalism; cronyism is a lot closer to their activities. For this same reason, I refuse to deal with any bank. My CU does the job just fine.


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The baby boom generation invested in the stock market throughout their adult life. Now they are retiring.

Yes... we did. Because ownership is where the money is, not in working for someone else. Had I not invested in the stock market, I would still be working a job. While that has some appeal, it doesn't have near enough for me to wish that I hadn't invested.


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The bulk of the U.S. population is done investing...

If true, that would indeed be unfortunate. Still, that would be their choice and they are most welcome to it. I also made a choice, albeit a different one. It is the right choice for me but may well not be right for someone else. I readily admit that.


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Add to that the falling dollar and general decline of the U.S. economy.

Right... and both of those factors make me even more interested in successful investing and the growth of my personal wealth.


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Opportunities lie outside the U.S., primarily in Asia, but also in other emerging markets.

Indeed they do, which is why I own shares of mutual funds that invest in both Asia and Latin America.


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People who've grown up in the good years of the U.S. stock market have seen it bounce back from numerous crises, however we all know past performance is no guarantee of future results.

Indeed we have and while past performance is not a guarantee it does indicate what investments are reasonably good most of the time. Terrible past performance often indicates a high probability of a continuation of that same bad performance. Exceptions abound, of course, so anyone who wants to invest needs to use their heads, gather lots of solid info, protect themselves with stop loss orders, and diversify their holdings. Successful investing is not an easy thing to do. But it IS possible to do it and do it well... even in today's crummy market.
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Nice work Ctus as you took a bit of everyone's advice by not spending the entire 32k at the current high prices, and still added 5 oz of gold and a 100 oz of silver via the ASE's, very nice. You just passed my stash big time in one transaction, and that is just a nice mix, with a 20 to 1 ratio....

Curious, what made you decide on the gold eagles? They are a beautiful coin, and to me that 22k or 24k is meaningless really. I prefer the 24k like most and the pure .9999, but the 22k, or the 90% silver has its value and place for many. Out of all my silver coins, I must say the Buffalo design catches my eye, I could only imagine how nice it is in gold proof form. Something you should consider as well on your next gold or silver buys, as proofs are a bit more, but more sought after and will bring more later as well....
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 Posted 04/29/2011  1:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ctus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Curious, what made you decide on the gold eagles?


You know, I'm not sure why exactly. I think I just like the idea of a more rugged coin, but it's not like I'm going to be handling them. Anyway, as I go along i'll probably pick up a few buffalos, and maybe some maples, too.
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Yes Ctus, I don't see how you could go wrong with either of the three, as all are very popular....

This is fresh on my mind, with gold going up big today and a link to Provident I just posted about the Gold Panda on another gold thread, but I learned much myself from their website, via how they have the coins set up in category's for each country. Here is the same link, check it out if you get time, as I learned about all the different country's main gold coin from surfing through each and reading about them in description....

http://www.providentmetals.com/2011...ne-gold.html
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