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ASE 20th Ann. Set

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 Posted 10/23/2006  6:48 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Berry to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Has anyone found a "scrape" or piece of metal (cud?) at approximately the 7:00 o'clock position on the Proof coin? I am not sure what it is, but have more than one and the mark is virtually in the identical place on three coins..
Berry
PS. sorry no photos!!! My coins are poorly produced in my mind, that includes all three types of the ASE in the set.

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10/23/2006 6:51 pm
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 Posted 10/26/2006  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have 10 sets and none of them have any problems like you are describing
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 Posted 10/26/2006  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add laxmaster92 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well I couldnt tell you because I have not gotten my set yet!
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 Posted 10/30/2006  8:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RangerXLT8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My 2 sets are set to ship 12/8 so I will be able to tell you then if my coins have any such errors.
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 Posted 10/30/2006  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tpatna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I only have one set, but I do not see anything...
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Here are the pics of Berry's coin. The mark is very small and on the edge of the rim, so it was difficult to get a good pic.

Now that I've looked at the pics, I think this mark is the result of poor handling. I no longer think that this coin has a Cud and would suggest returning the sets. Sorry, I had hoped that you had found something with a premium. I'm curious to see what others have to say.

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 Posted 10/31/2006  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Berry to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Susan, thanks for your time and effort in getting some photos up for the forum members to look at. The raised area on the coin is precisely where I have 5 other coins with a "scrape" mark at the same location. The scrape marks are in the form of a V and are not raised. The marks are very prominent and I think I received 6 successive coins from the "assembly line". Depending on what the knowledgeable forum members say is how I will handle the problem. I have received coins from the Mints for years and have never had a problem coin....
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While Berry's coins are here, I took the liberty of getting some pretty good shots of them for the silver bullion section in the gallery if anyone wants to check them out.

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 Posted 10/31/2006  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldDan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it were me I would use the return address sticker the mint provides when they send the coins. Guess that is the prupose of having it included.
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I have given this a lot of thought and I think that the marks on the coins are due to something being on the edges of whatever rubber tweezers or pincers that were used to put the coins into the holders. I am thinking that the coin in the set here does not have a raised mark. It might just be an optical illusion.
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Susan, If they do use some sort of pincers, you could be correct because that would explain the marks on the other coins. I am speaking about the "V" scrape the other coins have on them. Old Dan is probably correct and I should get this coins back to the mint and get exchange coins, but I am considering holding onto the set that you have. I just have a lingering doubt, that if there is any heat on the planchet when it is struck and then pulled, it could cause a raised area on the coin. I am still interested in what the other forum members think, especially those who know the cycling process at the mint and how the proofs are struck, pulled and put into capsules. Thanks again Susan,

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quote:
Originally posted by BERRY4402

Susan, If they do use some sort of pincers, you could be correct because that would explain the marks on the other coins. I am speaking about the "V" scrape the other coins have on them. Old Dan is probably correct and I should get this coins back to the mint and get exchange coins, but I am considering holding onto the set that you have. I just have a lingering doubt, that if there is any heat on the planchet when it is struck and then pulled, it could cause a raised area on the coin. I am still interested in what the other forum members think, especially those who know the cycling process at the mint and how the proofs are struck, pulled and put into capsules. Thanks again Susan,

Berry


Here is an online virtual tour of the US Mints and how, proof and uncirculated coins and bullion coins(Eagles) are made.
http://www.usmint.gov/mint_tours/in...tion=VTShell

Like Susan said, they are picked up by tweesers. The tour goes through the entire process.
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Hi RangerXLT8, thanks for the input, I have never seen that video before and it is very interesting. From the video, I must deduce that the workers who quality control the coins must have been asleep on the day they processed my coins. Not once, but six times, don't say much for the West Point Mint, if it occurred there. All the problems I experienced were on the Proof coin only. When you look at the coins in-hand, the defect/anomaly or whatever it is, is evident with the naked (young) eye. Thanks again for making me aware of the mint site tour.
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 Posted 01/12/2007  3:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Berry to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a shortened "SAGA" of dealing with the U.S.Mint and I guess I am not the first person this has happened to, but certainly wish I was the last. I take my coins serious so was very reverent about my lost coins. I ordered 10 sets of the 20TH Ann. Silver Eagles (A10) on the first day that you could order which was: 30 AUG 06 @ 12:09 PM. I had no problem ordering, went through like a breeze in the field.

My 10 sets arrived at my home on 13 OCT 06 and was as happy as could be. I opened up the box and insured there were 10 sets enclosed, (which there were) I took out and opened up one set. First look was a little disappointing as the coin capsules were open, the coins were still in the plastic and appeared to be alright. I firmly closed all three of the capsules and then did a quick visual inspection of the coins with the naked eye. I saw a small mark on the proof at about the 7:00 position, so got out a glass and looked at it. There was something there, but could not tell if it was a scrape, a Cud or whatever. I have ordered from the mint for many, many years and had never gotten a bad coin from them. I did one of those, just in case things and looked at all ten sets. The very first one I looked at was the worst of the lot, but all ten had marks on them at the same place.

I visited with Susan on one of her trips back to NJ and she looked at it and you can see her remarks on this thread. After her inspections and just a few comments from forum members, I decided to send eight of them back. I sent them with delivery confirmation, and insurance. They arrived at the Fulfillment Center at 0631 hours on 7 NOV 06 in Memphis, TN.

I waited a couple of weeks to hear from the Mint, but nothing so called from the end of November until 2 JAN 07, and during that time I spoke to just about everyone in the customer service area and a few in claims when they would allow me to talk to them. They had no record of me having shipped coins back. I read them USPS track and confirm number, but they said it isn't showing up on our computer, therefore, we did not receive them.. Finally got to someone in claims who would listen and told this person that I had all original documents (copied the one I sent with coins) pertinent to the return. I had to fax them twice since the first time the packet was "not received". On the second go, the person got them and I had to call back a week later, which I did. I was told they would send me my coins but first had to have Washington OK it first.

Well after many more phone calls and being told on three occasions my replacement coins were shipped, I went to my congressman. The USPS said they had to be missing for over 30 days before I could even file a claim and further that they had delivered the coins, and the Mint said, they never received them and the tracking information was not good enough. So I was caught in the middle and my Congressman sorted it out after I presented a well documented file to him and his staff. They checked it out and 11 days later I received my 8 sets of 20th ANN ASEs. That was today, so wanted to let my fellow forum members know that if you a problem, be sure to document and keep track of times and dates and if possible who you spoke with. I had all this information which made it easy for my congressman to get me the remedy I wanted, my replacement sets... This is probably boring to some who have not experienced any problems of this sort, but for me to be in between the USPS and the U.S. Mint, I was like a little fly getting brushed off with balderdash. Thanks for reading my post and hope none of you have to go through this sort bureaucratic mess. It took me two months and five days, but I got my coins!!!!!!!

Berry






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 Posted 01/12/2007  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Margaret to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Berry,

Sorry to hear about the troubles but WTG on your persistence! I hope the new coins exceeded your expectations. Very glad it turned out good after all that!

Margaret
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