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 Posted 05/13/2011  11:34 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add droid754 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello all,

I have been looking and reading for several days all over the forums. What kept me coming back was the 'Photography' end. Lots of good questions/comments.

I have been a 'photographer' for more than three decades. I have sold a print or two, I have had a couple published and there is a lot of my stuff hanging in people's homes and even some businesses. So I think I can call myself a 'Photographer.'

However, the other day I stripped that so-called title away and threw it on the ground.

From what I can see (read) what I am about to say is a 'no-no on these forums. After all, this place is called 'Coin COLLECTING,' but I am divesting my collection.

I don't want to bum anyone out so I will just point you in the direction of my blog, www.tatu54.com/wordpress

That will explain why I am selling out.

While I do have a few Eagles on ebay right now I have a lot more to sell. I am not going to post any more until I can get a good, quality photograph.

I can get a good photo but I cannot get the color, white-bright like I want it and the way the Eagle actually is. The second image, below, is as close as I have gotten so far. Most of them, that look 'good' look like the first image.

I don't know how many lighting setups I have tried, how many White Balance settings I have used, how many 'everything' I have used... This has gone on for days.

I have a Canon Digital SLR. I thought I knew this camera pretty good, even the close-up settings/filters. But all that, by general rule, has been used outdoors with Landscape/Nature photography.

For the close-up of the coins I am using a 50mm Canon lens with a set of Hoya close focus filters. Go here: http://www.hoyafilter.com/products/.../oef-12.html

The higher number +4 goes next to the lens and stack them like that. I have +4, +2 and +1.

I have these filters because they were cheaper than a Macro lens. To fill the frame with the eagle I can get within four inches. I think they do a fine job that makes a good, sharp photo.

But I cannot get the correct color!

That's the bottom line.

I so dread what's going to happen when I get to my Proofs. That will make me crazier than I am already.

Ideas? Thoughts?

These two images were taken with a 150w flood diffused, with an aluminum foil board opposite the flood. The flood is about eighteen inches away. It has been as much as thirty-six inches away and as close as six inches. Way too hot!

What say you!

Dale

This image shows the 'Patina' almost exactly the way it is on the coin, although a lot darker.
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This image greatly lightens the 'Patina' but it shows the coin more true to what the eye sees although it is still not the bright, white the Eagle actually is.
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 Posted 05/13/2011  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sidekick-CA to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I took this with an old JVC 3.3MP point-n-shoot and came out pretty good for me as a beginner but you can see the camera reflection and not sure if you'd want that in your ebay pix. This was on a copy stand with 2 compact flourescent bulbs on goosenecks. Camera was approx 6 inches above the coin. Since you have a toned ASE there you might be interested in this link that Markn posted a few days back http://www.australian-threepence.co...d-coins.html Very good tutorial on taking images of toned coins which I found very helpful.

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 Posted 05/13/2011  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I read your link, Dale.

Thoughts:

1) Don't worry about filling the sensor. Worry about a final product of 650px in diameter which meets your desires, and back the camera off to buy room for lighting.

2) Digital cameras do not see coins the way our eyes do. That's a fact of life, and a rather "niche" secret of coin photography. Your first image is well on the road to being a great coin shot as those knowledgeable of digital coin photography will see it. I wouldn't go tighter than f/8 with that lens; you're probably reaching the diffraction limit at f/13. That'll buy you a faster exposure and/or lower ISO; you can get nice shots at ISO400 but if you can use ISO100 you'll improve contrast.

3) Concentrate on accuracy, not color. Sharp focus. Proving the lack of marks on the surface of the coin. An ASE buyer knows what color the coin will be; they want to see a pristine surface.

4) Don't be afraid to color-correct in postprocessing. I shoot Canon, too; I know how difficult they are with white balance. Use 18% grey for Custom white balance over white; the result works well for me, filtered through what I know the camera is going to make the coin look like. See the first sentence of 2) above.

5) You're going to probably find narrow-beam spots better than diffusion and reflection. Those take away from the representation of luster which, for a coin, involves showing a contrast between the bright areas in direct light and the darker areas outside the direct beam.

With your combination, shoot for exposures faster than 1/100, ISO 200@f/8. ISO100 if you can. I'm guessing that'll be near the sweet spot. And use a lens hood if you have one, because incident light reflected back into the lens kills contrast with coins.

Headed for work right now; I'll be checking back about Midnight Eastern tonight.
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 Posted 05/14/2011  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add droid754 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sidekick--- Pretty good for a 'Beginner!' I would say that I will have the same problem when I get to my Proofs, but I have a 'weapon' to combat the reflection, or so I hope, anyway.

I have a Polarizer that does a good job of cutting reflections out of glass, shiny metal, etc... I am hoping that this filter will help me on my proofs.

Dave--- Thanks. During my 'reading and looking' on the forums before I just jumped in and started posting, I read a lot of your stuff. Lots of good, quality info on photographing coins come out of your brain pan. I have most, if not all, saved in my Favorites for future reference.

As you, and most everyone else on these forums know, most buyers on ebay want what they pay for. I don't blame them because I am the same way. I photograph every coin, keep the original Hi-Res file (for future reference) and post the images along with a detailed description of the coin.

I try and give them all of the information they will need to make an informed decision as to whether they want this coin. Hence, I do not have a 'Return Policy.'

Everything they need to know, pictures of the front and back of the coin, a detailed description and they can ask for the hi-res copy of same coin if they want it. If you read my link in my first post here you know I don't have a lot of time to mess around.

I also state this plainly in the body of the auction page. People who bid on my auctions know what they are getting.

My only problem is getting the photo to look like the coin, a bright, white image. That is so difficult to do, as a lot of people here have found out.

Dave said:

"An ASE buyer knows what color the coin will be; they want to see a pristine surface."

I agree with every word that you said. But, a person who is not familiar with the Eagles may wonder about the color just by judging the photo. That's why I am working so hard to get the image just right.

I would say that most of the people thinking about buying Eagles are familiar with them but there is always a chance a "new" person may be looking.

Boy, I do like to hear myself talk. I sound so good in my head...

OK, off to play with my camera!

Thanks, people.

D.
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