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It does look MS, but there are a few spots that look like they may be wear, but it may just be the toning too. It's either a AU-58 or a MS63. The reverse looks brown to me from this picture, the obverse looks red/brown, so I will have to call it brown for now.
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Looks MS to me! But I agree on how the wear may knock it down.
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Definitely mint state. I will say MS-63. Not sure on color could go RB or BN depending on how it looks in hand.
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I don't see any wear, the rims are good, full liberty, 4 full diamonds, nice pearls, slight weakness at the tips of feathers but that's probably the strike, small hits under the eye, spot under the date, the coin looks to be no worse than MS-63RB. Nice Indian cent!  |
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Thanks for the replies. Also (in hand) the reverse has a cherry red hue to it not brown like the picture shows.
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I am no expert in grading but it is a beauty  |
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I see no reason why it is not higher than MS-63 RB, it looks to have really clean surfaces. But, if it has some chatter, it likely is MS-63.
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I see no reason why it is not higher than MS-63 RB The hit on the cheeck and spot under the date IMO would easily keep it from MS64. I know grading is subjective, but I have a MS63 IHC graded by Rick Snow with just a very small scratch by the last numeral in the date, that is all that kept it from MS64 and here, IMO there is more. The reverse looks great, maybe even MS-65, but the obverse limits the grade on this one. If the OP is correct that the reverse is a nice red color, then I would agree with a RB designation. |
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Yeah, that's very lovely. To articulate the reason just a spot like that can bring down the market or "eye appeal" grade on a coin like this to MS-63 (and, I agree, that's a fair grade on the coin), think, "eye movement." In other words, be conscious of how your eye, moving through the coin, keeps being pulled back to that one spot. Eye movement is the major determinant in how you're going to feel about any particular coin. Whenever that's distorted such that it's markedly-different from the movement given us by the engraver, it's going to affect the market grade on the coin.
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Do you mean the blemish on the cheek? There is a pretty small hit to the right of it, but often these are picked up by the light in photos too much and are virtually nonexistent in hand (and it is a pretty minor one, on a small coin). For instance, take a look at the 1929-S quarter I put up...it looks like LIBERTY has a lot of chatter but it is difficult to see any of those marks even with a glass. Regardless, that coin does have a lot more chatter than this one and this is a smaller coin.
The rest of this coin looks really clean in my opinion, usually I see MS-63's with significant (but not major) chatter throughout and/or a few light hits in the focal areas (that can be seen with the naked eye, and of course there are other factors). I had an MS-64 RB 1909 PCGS indian that had a hit/small hairline on the cheek a little more prominent than this one (the rest of the coin was 65+, it was the only noticeable hit without a glass). I've also seen spots on MS-64 or even 65 coins if the eye appeal is good and the spot isn't too distracting. But one thing I have noticed is that copper and gold have different grading standards than silver, and spots matter a lot more. Significant and multiple spotting can indeed often limit the grade a lot whereas it does not as much on silver. I guess for me the spot on this one isn't really that distracting (my eyes did not follow it, though I noticed it). If it was right in front of the face, I would probably grade it MS-63. However, I've seen PCGS grade even those coins as 64 or 65, but those are just gaffes. I guess I'm just betting that the coin looks Gem BU in hand, but would probably get bumped down a notch due to the spot.
By the way, is there a hidden scratch in the hair or is that just the design?
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05/17/2011 5:58 pm
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I took this shot with my point and shoot (Under incandescent light, no flash sitting on a pink post it note). I hope this one has sufficient resolution to determine the surface condition. Notice that the spot under the date doesn't show. You cant see it on the coin but the previous DSLR photo which used flash picked it up.  |
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That does look like a MS-64, now, pretty easy.
To ShadowCreator, it appears you were right about that mark on the cheek being overemphasized for the lighting.
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