Help With A Legend Translation - Austria And Hungary

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Bacchus2 Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2881 Posts	Posted 05/17/2011 4:52 pm Hi - I have a couple of coins that I'm not sure what some of the legend translate to Franz Joseph 1913 2 Corona Ob. FRANC. IOS. I. D. G. IMP. AVSTR. REX BOH. GAL. ILL. ETC. ET AP. REX. HVNG. Rev. II CORONAE MDCCCCXIII Edge: VNITIS VIRIEVS Silver 0.835 10.0g / 27mm mintage: 7,256,002 Mint: ? MM: ? KM 2821 For this one I think the obverse legens is Francis Joseph I, Die Gratia (by the Grace of God) Emperor of Austria, King of Bohemia, ?, Apostolic King of Hungary. And I'm not sure of the edge inscription. and Franz Joseph 1900 5 corona Ob. FERENCZ. JOZSEF. I. K. A. CS. ES M. H. S. D. O. AP. KIR. Rev. 5 KORONA 1900 Edge: BIZALMAM AZOSI ERENYEEN Silver 0.9000 24.0g mintage: 3,840,000 Mint: KB (Kremnitz) MM: ? KM 488 This one is harder - I assume the abreviations are in Hungarian - as is the edge legend. Any pointers appreciated.... My Papal States coin collection: https://diadumenian.com/Papal%20Sta...0States.html Medieval coins collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Europe.html Indian Rupee Collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Rupees.html Minor world Silver: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...20coins.html Edited by Bacchus2 05/17/2011 4:53 pm Report this Post to the Staff

Sap Moderator Australia 16832 Posts	Posted 05/17/2011 11:09 pm "BOH" is indeed Bohemia. "GAL" is for the Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria. "ILL" is for Illyria. "ETC" is, as you can probably guess, "etcetera". "ET" = "and". The inscriptions on the Hungarian coin are mostly titles the emperor held for the "Hungarian half" of the empire, just as the Latin inscriptions on the Austrian coin are titles mostly for the "Austrian half". Thus: I.K.A. = Isten kegyelmebol altal, "by the grace of God". In this case, the "I" isn't the Roman numeral "1". CS. = Csaszar, "Emperor" ES = "and". Notice no dot after it; this word is not abbreviated. M. = Magyar, "Hungary" H.S.D.O. = Horvat-Szlavon-es-Dalmatorszagok, "Croatia, Slavonia and Dalmatia" AP KIR = "Apostolic king". I find it interesting that "Dalmatia", the southern half of what is now Croatia, was actually in the Austrian half of the Empire - apparently, the Hungarians were keen to annex it. It's also interesting that the title "Emperor" is the only reference to the other half of the Empire. Google translates the edge inscription of the Hungarian coin, once you put in all the right accent marks, as "Confidence in the Ancient Virtue". Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
Bacchus2 Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2881 Posts	Posted 05/18/2011 01:03 am That's excellent - Thanks very much -- I hadn't thought of google translation - I'll remember that for next time. The designers seemed determined to put as many titles on the coin as possible. Yes - I've niticed that a lot of the states withing central Europe at the time were very fragmented. There seemed to be a lot of coinsidence with the private estates of the nobility. I find it interesting that, for example, the Princes of Leichtenstein apparently hadn't set foot in Leichtenstein for years - until the mid 19th century - as they had vast estates in the Moravia and they spent all their time there. thanks again My Papal States coin collection: https://diadumenian.com/Papal%20Sta...0States.html Medieval coins collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Europe.html Indian Rupee Collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Rupees.html Minor world Silver: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...20coins.html Report this Post to the Staff
chrisild Pillar of the Community Germany 1238 Posts	Posted 05/18/2011 5:37 pm The edge inscription of the Austrian coin, by the way, is Franz Joseph's Latin motto "Viribus Unitis". In English that would be "with united forces". As for the mints, the Austrian piece was minted in Vienna/Wien; the Hungarian one was made in Kremnica (today in Slovakia) or "Kremnitz" in German, or "Körmöcbánya" in Hungarian, hence the KB. Christian Edited by chrisild 05/18/2011 5:48 pm Report this Post to the Staff
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