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1960 D Over S ?

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 Posted 10/26/2006  1:39 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add wrongalot to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Is this a D over S, I can'

Image: 1960-D-Over-S-??? 1960 D S.jpg
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 Posted 10/26/2006  3:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add whitesid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
there defiantly something there that looks like an s
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I think you have a D/D repunched mint mark combined with some Die Deterioration. The possibility of an S in 1960 is beyond the realm of possibility - althought I do agree the picture sure looks like one.


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 Posted 10/27/2006  12:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wrongalot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a closer look....man is this hard to photograph...I would like to know how they do it on coppercoins site...

Image: 1960-D-Over-S-??? 60mm.jpg
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wrongalot - The new picture makes it look less like an S and more like a D with subsequent die erosion. There is an erosion line between the 9 and 6 and several other smaller ones on the die face. Your die matches none of the coppercoin pictures - because of the angle of the surface flow lines - however, I think you do have a legitimate D/D variety.

Regarding the way they photograph the coins - I would bet they are shooting through a 30X microscope. The ANA sells a nice binocular scope made for that purpose.
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 Posted 10/27/2006  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wavysteps to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The BIGGEST reason that this is not an S under or over a D mintmark is that no Lincoln Cent in 1960 carried an S mintmark. In all cases where there is a OMM (over mintmark), both the S mintmark and the D mintmark were in use and at the same facility in this case the Philadelphia mint, this was not the case for that year. As far as the pictures on coppercoins, contact Bob Piazza, he is the one who does most of them and he will give you a run down of what he uses.

Hope that this helps.

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 Posted 10/29/2006  7:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A few things...

First, there are OMMs for 1956D - yes, D/S OMMs - and there were no S mint coins that year. An explanation of why an S punch was used is not officially given. According to the Mint, these do not exist, but we know better.

Second, I do a number of the photographs at coppercoins.com - and taught Bob how to do them. I use a 7.5X-35X stereo zoom microscope with a Nikon Coolpix 5200 digital camera, and a 180 watt halogen reostat controlled dual light guide lighting source. Altogether the equipment cost is around $1,200. Once you get all that together, photos become much easier. Unfortunately you can't get the quality we get with much less in equipment.

Third, and finally, I do not believe the 1960D cent imaged in this thread to be a D/S, but I would have to be able to examine the coin in person to know for sure. There are a lot of things a coin can tell me sitting under my scope that no photo could suffice to say.
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thanks coppercoins, I will go to your site and look at how to use your services.
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Okay - maybe I should explain it this way as far as the S and D mint marks. For the 1956 Lincoln Cent, S seperated from the D and the D over S, the S mint mark punch was still present. The reason behind this is that some of the working dies for the 1956 Lincoln Cent were actually made in 1955, the last year to carried the S mintmark until 1968. However, this was not the case in 1960, where that punch had not been used in 4 + years. Sorry to cause any confusion.

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The punches for mintmarks are very small. Hard to see an s from a d in a poorly ligheted production area. Besides, people get bored and creative. I think it looks like a d/s. Trace the shape of what looks like an S from pic one and draw your own conclusion. Send it to Coneca and let them do overlays. Regardless, Keep it. Cool find whatever...Gusp
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Every once in awhile I like to revisit something that sticks in my mind, as this one post does. Cleaned up the picture a bit and it now shows what the odd mark is.

1960-D-Over-S-???

More than likely, it is the begining of a die crack or a die scratch in two seperate areas that seem NOT to be connected. From the picture, I can not even see a RPM much less a DMM.

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