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I was searching Presidential dollar rolls and found these. The roll had 20 coins with small to large waves on the rim. The Edge Letters seem to be off set to the reverse on most of the coins, but the waves are on both sides. When in a 2X2 mylar holder, they cause the mylar to follow the waves and form lines across the face of the holder. The letters also seem to be deep with the "satin" finish between the letters, showing that the Edge Letter equipment went as deep as it could and left patterns from the metal between the letters on the coins. Has anyone seen these? Any value or just a normal part of the minting process?   The obverse has the same waves, but much smaller. Thanks! Ben ANA ID: 3203813 - CONECA ID: N-5637 Clean a coin that may be worth collecting? Please DON'T! When in doubt, leave it dirty!! 
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Have not seen this before. smalldollars website talks about cancelled coins that are like waffles, this doesn't looks exactly similar, but could be something like it?
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Nevery seen that before, definitely not waffled, that messes up the whole surface. Maybe the edge lettering machine was set a fraction of a mm too narrow and pushed the coin in?
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I have a few questions.
1. Is it just the rim?
2. Try poking it with a toothpick to see if it's air bubbles.
3. Could you post a picture from the side?
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I have some 2010 Sac's with the same waves. You've got great shots
of this. I can't get good pictures, though I've tried.
The high point on the waves correspond to the edge lettering on
mine, also. They are on both sides of the coins, too.
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05/23/2011 5:10 pm
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the edge lettering machine was set a fraction of a mm too narrow and pushed the coin in  Edited by biokemist6
05/23/2011 8:48 pm
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I'm using a Nikon D200 and a GREAT Nikon flash to get the shots. I was a professional racing photographer for a while. Here are the side shots showing that the letters match the raised area on the rim. The front of the coin has smaller raised areas and is harder to shoot, but you can see them with no problem looking at the coin.    ANA ID: 3203813 - CONECA ID: N-5637 Clean a coin that may be worth collecting? Please DON'T! When in doubt, leave it dirty!!
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Machine issue at the mint. Coin was not held with enough force while the edge lettering was applied. The edge lettering displaced the metal outwards. GREAT FIND!
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Was unaware of this error type. Thanks for posting.
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I have some prez dollars like that and would like to know if they have a premium too? John1  |
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Biokemist6 is correct. The spacing between the lettering die and the roller was a bit too small. I've seen this effect on other Presidential dollars. Error coin writer and researcher.
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mikediamond,
Thanks for the post. You've helped me many times with your articles, email and thread replies. I may send in the strongest of the distorted rim coins for grading to see what kind of attribution it gets. These coins are so nicely wavy that it look like part of the design. It's kind of like a facet as it catches the light and makes a nice looking error. I'll hang on to these for now and see if this error starts showing up for sale.
This roll was the last roll in a box at the bank. They opened a new box for me, but I didn't find any more of these. This has to be my best average of errors in a single roll, 80% of the coins.
Now all I need is the coin to find a market, set a nice price and make me a few Dollars extra, so that I can keep searching and searching and searching.
ANA ID: 3203813 - CONECA ID: N-5637 Clean a coin that may be worth collecting? Please DON'T! When in doubt, leave it dirty!!
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Great find thanks for bringing this to us.
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Yokozuna, If you send it to a TPG please let me know how it turns out. Thanks John1 |
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I doubt it will ever have a premium- I put it in the category of "allowable Mint sloppiness" along with Machine Doubling and die chips/cracks. I do not search Prez dollars but I do occasionally get rolls to spend and I have seen a couple dozen Prez dollars with the same effect. From the beginning in 2007, the Mint was having slippage issues with the edge lettering press. I would hypothesize that the Mint's solution to the slippage situation was solved by tightening the tolerances on the bar dies for the edge lettering inscription. However, that occasionally resulted in a slightly crimped edge but it is still better than having a coin with scraped and mangled rims  If you want to do something with it, send one to Ken Potter. He writes periodic columns about Prez dollar errors for Numismatic News. He frequently features pictures of reader submissions, regardless of whether they are nice errors or common complications, for educational purposes so you might get lucky and get a credit byline |
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Premium will all depend on how many were struck this way along with collector demand. Someone go poke that guy in quality control as he is either asleep or dead.
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