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Pillar of the Community
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 Posted 06/05/2011  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OneBowl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
BadThad,

No, it's on a 5.25" floppy hidden at the bottom of the cesspool, is that good enough for you? What the....heck? Did I say there were account numbers? No. Did I say there were passwords? No. You do not know exactly what is in the file, you do not know the fragmentation and storage and you do not know my personal threshold for potential privacy breaches. As such, I fail to see the motive behind your post. Now, if you had suggested a more secure alternative, then I could see some potential value to other members. And besides, after review of your post by my Homeland Security IT friend, he says he'd have that file info on screen in no time. I have no idea if that is true though. Anyway, spare me the lectures unless you care to add what you see as a more secure alternative outside of being 100% unplugged.
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 Posted 06/05/2011  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a good relationship with my local coin dealer. So one day I arranged to bring my son, who is 20, to the dealer. My son brought his Mercury Album down. The one we have been putting together for since he was 10. It is complete, with an AG3 16D; and vg 21 and 21d. Lots of common BU more than a few with split bands. The dealers bid? $650. $400 for the 16d, $20 a piece for the 21s and melt for everything else. This was an actual bid. Yes the dealer knew it was educational but bid he gave was the bid he would have made in reality.

At first my son was happy, then he remembered the year he worked all summer to make the money for the 16d. And he remembered that $400 was about what he paid for it six years ago.

Next I took him home and sat him down on the computer and went to an auction site, and looked at completed listings. Using a spread sheet and taking the average final sale price ( only for items that actually sold) for each coin in the same condition as his; we arrived at an minimum value of $1200, retail, for his collection. Everyone looks at the keys, but the truth is that there are many coins in this set with a nice value; such as his xf 24d, or ms 16 or AU 16s.

He told me there was such a difference in price; dealer vs retail. And that this little experiment opened his eyes. !

My daughter lives in another state. You should have seen the look on her face when I did the same thing with her in her hometown and the dealer there offered her melt on her Washington set she inherited from my Grandfather. I can still hear her stuttering..."but thats a BU 32D! I might go $7 on that little beauty"....

By the way, my Daughter has a full BU and Proof Washington set ( minus the first 4 years of proofs). The 32 to 64 she inherited. BUT the rest was done over several summer visitations as a father daughter project. All the finishes, satin, proof, silver proof. I also think this is another great way to get the kids to appreciate your coins!
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 Posted 06/05/2011  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainkurt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Did I say there were account numbers? No. Did I say there were passwords? No. You do not know exactly what is in the file, you do not know the fragmentation and storage and you do not know my personal threshold for potential privacy breaches. As such, I fail to see the motive behind your post.


Kinda harsh, no? Seems to me Badthad was talking about his wife, not you. I do not fail to see the motive behind what Badthad is saying to the rest of the board.
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 Posted 11/30/2012  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would like to use this topic as a starting point for an idea which pretty much
dove tails into it.
I hope that that is alright.

Matthew
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 Posted 11/30/2012  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jimjumper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I keep a current list of all my coins with notes on values as a set and individual keys. I keep one paper list in a home lock box with all our other important docs and the other one is on a flash drive in a safe deposit box. I also have business cards for 3 dealers that I trust with each list. My wife doesn't have any interest in coins but she knows enough to at least get a fair price. I'd also recommend being active with your local con club so your significant other has an idea of who to go to for advice.
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 Posted 12/01/2012  5:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austrokiwi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Although I live in Austria I keep in contact with the numismatic community in New Zealand. A decade or so ago.. a leading light in the NZ Coin World discovered he had a few months to live. He jumped on a flight to Aussi and took his substantial collection with him and arranged for Nobles to auction it. I can not recall if he died before or after the sale. He commented to a number of people he should have sold his collection earlier so his family could enjoy the proceeds with him. Since then a number of substantive collections have been sold as owners hit retirement. I know my plan is to sell before I die ( If possible) As much as I love collecting at some stage I want to let the collection go so I and my family can enjoy the proceeds while I am around. Obviously I tell this story to give another view point.
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 Posted 12/01/2012  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To be realistic, most individuals hobbies, such as coins, are in many instances just a hobby of someone's and should be eleminated once gone. In many instances people leave all sorts of info for a relative on what to do with all their stuff. In many instances those relatives say OK, Yeah we understand, thanks for the info and lots of other statements intended to make older people feel good about their STUFF. Kids are great for that. Yet at coin shows I see all sorts of collections being sold to dealers for a fraction of value. Almost always it is from an inheritance. And when asked, yes they were instructed what to do with all that STUFF. But to most that is exactly what it all is. Just STUFF.
One dealer that gives me empty Folders and Albums once gave me well over 40 and all from one week at his store. All brought in by relatives of someone now passed on. And it goes on and on and on.
And not just with coins. Gun, knife, sword, cars and all sorts of hobbies are just sold off due to no interests.
Way back a neighbor was a small arms instructor in the Army. His entire basement had more guns, targets, gun powder, bullers, shells, reloading equipment and much more than most stores. He passed away and his relatives called a gun store that sent someone over and offered $1,000 for everything. They accepted. Some of his guns were worth a small fortune since they were such things as Mausers, Lugers, etc. Yet all went for $1,000. And yes he had tried telling them all about their values. And yes he did leave all sorts of paper instructions too. And yes all were ingnored.
Hopefully all your hobby items and personal effects will get a better ending.
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 Posted 12/03/2012  7:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add southsav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Hopefully all your hobby items and personal effects will get a better ending.


DITTO DITTO DITTO!!!!

Man, what a sad story.

I hope ( I think they do ) my boys ( and wife )have an inkling of the history and beauty of some of my stuff.

What the heck, I enjoy it and can't take it with me. I think my boys will love to have and pass along something I had some passion about.
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 Posted 12/12/2012  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chewy_27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I read this thread and it is bringing tears to my eyes. My grandfather died in 1982 when I was in grade 5. He had from what I have been told was a huge collection. He ran the liquor store in a small town and saw a massive amount of change pass through his till on a daily basis. He also made regular purchases from the Royal Canadian Mint as well. From what I have been told he was very knowledgeable and was the head of the local Coin Collectors Club. He passed away suddenly and obviously hadn't done much, if anything in preparing his coin collection to pass into someone else's hands.

The family story is that after his death my grandmother "lived off the collection for years". About 10 years ago when we were cleaning out my grandmothers house there was a small box that was the leftovers of his collection. Nobody else expressed any interest at all, so I got to take it home, and honestly, for the last 10 years it sat in my basement all but forgotten.

Then, just a month or so ago, I saw it digging for something else and thought "I really should pull that up and take a look at it." For the next four hours my daughter, wife and I sat enchanted by the coins coming out of that box. This may have been the dregs of his collection, but there are still interesting coins in it. Coins from countries from all over the world, from places like Newfoundland, that until a short while ago I didn't even know minted their own currency, German, England, Chinese spade coins and some Eastern European countries I have yet to identify. Small paper envelopes with my grandfathers handwriting on them with things like "US 1c 1951D filled D". Clips, hanging cents and lumps under the chin, I have been trying to wade my way through the world of numismatics and let me tell you to a beginner is a daunting world.

While I can appreciate the idea of collecting coins, I am not a coin collector. For the last month I have been buried in the internet trying to learn about coins. Trying to see if there are important ones left, trying to learn the absolute basics of coin values. I live in a fairly out of the way community and am probably looking at a 6 hour drive to get to some kind of coin dealer and even once I get there I really don't have any reason to trust that specific dealer at all, they would have been selected at random. I have been racking my brain over the last month to try and figure out how to get these coins into the hands of people, like the majority of you, who will appreciate the coins much more than I will. I still haven't come up with a great idea, but if I do I will make sure that I come back and let you know.

But there is one thing about your collection that is the most important in my opinion, something that is all most impossible to pass on, and that is the knowledge about your collection. I could read and study for the next 25 years and probably still not come to the level of knowledge that my grandfather had about this collection. OneBowl mentioned something and then Ceylon62 seconded that is a list of people that your heirs could contact, people that you trust with knowledge about your collection. If I had someone like that, who I could ask questions of that I knew my grandfather trusted it would greatly reduce the difficulty I am having now. I know this is a bit different, being 30 years since he died that I am actually getting around to looking at it. Things in the age of the internet are obviously different than they were 30 years ago.

So write it down like OneBowl mentioned. An Excel file with information is invaluable. But also, if you have someone who is old enough and who has the interest, teach them what you know.

Just my Two Cents (and circulated at that)
Chewy
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 Posted 12/12/2012  11:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add robster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thoughtfully written and read with interest.! Well done.!
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