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Help Please =) Identification Of Islamic (Ottoman) Coin

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 Posted 06/03/2011  2:01 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Atlantia to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all,

Sorry for my first post being a 'help' one.
I'm trying to help a friend to identify the below item, which I think is a coin, possibly Ottoman.
Going to be a little red faced if it's not.
Obviously it's been nailed to a larger item :(
Can anyone help?
Thanks in advance.

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 Posted 06/03/2011  2:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Atlantia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can read the 1307=1889/90 date.
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 Posted 06/03/2011  3:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tam to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First, . Second, it would be very helpful to post a pic. of the other side of the coin. Having both sides would make it much easier for us to help out.

It is very likely a coin, and I agree with your dating. The style of the date script lends itself to either Arabic-Turkish or Malay-Persian script. Turkey has a wreath device very similar to the one shown on your coin, but the lettering doesn't show the expected horizontal line that separates the upper script from the date.

Post a pic. of the other side, I think we can decipher it rather quickly then.
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 Posted 06/03/2011  4:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Atlantia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Tam,
Thanks for the welcome :)

Sadly it's mounted into an axe shaft, so the other side is not visible.
This side is all we have to go on I'm afraid.
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 Posted 06/06/2011  05:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tam to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
K, I went through my full Krause, and could not find a match. May I suggest a couple options? Try to contact some very knowledgable members here with world coins. Their catalogs may pinpoint better than mine. Just look through some posts, you'll find some members. Or just repost your query. I may have missed an entry in my Krause, after all, it's over 700 pages, LOL, but I didn't find it. I tried, because I'm curious too.

Second, since the "coin" is already damaged by the nail, try to pry it off what it's nailed to, so you can see and picture the other side. Actually, the damage is already done, so you really can't do much more harm.
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06/06/2011 05:25 am
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 Posted 06/06/2011  05:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I actually don't think it's a coin at all - at least is looks like no coin I've seen before. I think it was a jewelry type piece jus used for decorative purposes.
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 Posted 06/06/2011  05:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tam to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a possibility, Bacchus.
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 Posted 06/06/2011  08:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would agree. The script is nothing like any that seen on any Ottoman coin of the 1890s.

The word just above the date says something like "al'atash"; it's the only word I can read at all. Apparently, "al'atash" means "thirst".
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 Posted 06/09/2011  08:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add molydeii to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The date is 1307 AH. It's definitely not a minted coin, maybe a provincial token (those tokens are somehow common during the WW1 when the real coins become scarce). It may well be a "pulluk" something Turkish ladies of the Ottoman age used to sew in corners of their "yemenni" (a sort of scarf). It can well be one of those pieces of metal, either struck during the Ottoman times, or well after the Empire, to use as decorative purposes.
Sap, I can beat you on this (once and probably just for one) "al'atash" has different yet common meanings such as 1-) the fire or 2-) "ataş" (the attachment)
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 Posted 06/09/2011  08:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add molydeii to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Atlantia, If you want, please Pm me with your email for better pictures and I can show the photos to the one of the world's leading Ottoman coins expert over the weekend.
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 Posted 06/14/2011  8:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Atlantia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the help everyone.
molydeii,
My firend who owns it, has now received it and he tells me that the balck of the disk is blank, so not a coin. Sorry for the wild goose chase.
Thanks for the offer of help.

Best
Gene
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