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China Fat Man Dollar - Real?

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 Posted 06/11/2011  3:26 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Mohur to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Having done some searches and looked at a few threads I thought I hade better get your views on my fat man. I recently purchased this coin it weighs 27.02g and is not magnetic. This is my first Chinese coin and I really took my time before picking this one. Hope I made the right choice.

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 Posted 06/11/2011  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add augsburger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm no expert but in SHanghai you see millions of these things, as fake as anything. Does it look silver when you look at it or touch it?

The rim looks a little strange in your photo, but like I said, I'm no expert, I just think every chinese coin that gets a photo on here is fake. It's the laws of probability!
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 Posted 06/11/2011  9:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
get it graded, chinese are notorious for faking everything
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 Posted 06/12/2011  10:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mohur to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the feedback gents. I've never had anything graded before, who do you recommend?
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 Posted 06/12/2011  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add epop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
https://goccf.com/t/87293
we've had a same discussion before some weeks with Jeff who is also from UK.You can find some answers there
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thanks epop
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 Posted 06/12/2011  11:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mohur to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Does anyone have an online resource, where I can compare this coin with?
thanks
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 Posted 06/24/2011  09:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mohur to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi everyone,
Just thought I would report back on this coin. This is indeed a fake, it is slightly overweight and on closer inspection a friend pointed out that someone has had a go at the rim with a file/intrument to try and reduce the weight of the coin. I got my refund today and have had an important learning experience.
Cheers
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 Posted 06/24/2011  10:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These coins have shot through the roof, value wise, in the past couple of years. With hindsight I should have stocked up ...
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 Posted 06/24/2011  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mohur to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have not collected coins for long, but totally agree. My friend has a lot of Chinese coins, all in good condition and legit. He is surprised at the current value of his collection.
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 Posted 06/24/2011  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sethhsu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think I know something about fat man, although I'm not an expert.
From these two photos, it looks real to me. But a photo really in need is the close-up photo for the rim. In China, people won't buy a fat man online if the seller doesn't provide a clear photo about the rim. Unless, the coin is slabbed.
The rims are hardest to imitate. It is the last thing for many people to rely on.
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I am trying to upload a photo about fatman rims.


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 Posted 06/27/2011  07:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jeff 11 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That fake is much better than average - the slight unevenness int he Rim is the only immediate alarm bell but it isn't the easiest to see. Glad you got a refund without problem. With the pre-republic Chinese Dollar sized coins, even weight is un-reliable as it has been known to vary a little.

epop - The 1933 Junk from that link is still at NGC - due a grade any day now, fingers crossed!
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 Posted 06/28/2011  09:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add epop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry Jeff I didn't get it as English is not my mother language.What's the grade that NGC gives you for that special coin?
Lastly I start to have an interest also in Chinese coins.I send the KM#102 as you advise me,and I wait the grade this week.
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 Posted 07/01/2011  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mohur to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I honestly thought it was a good example of a fat man, my first Chinese coin purchase. The coin was in great condition on first inspection, we checked Krause... the weight for this coin should be 26.4g. The one above has very little wear, but weighed 27.02g a coin will lose weight with wear, but not gain it. Then although the rim felt right you could see (with help!) that the edge of the rim had been taken out in places. We thought this was done to reduce the weight of the coin. As my first identified counterfeit I didn't feel good and haven't replaced this coin yet (i will do eventually). Got a fake 1911 Trade dollar last week, again returned and refunded via the popular auction site.
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