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New Member
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Hi All, I am new to the forum after finding you looking for information on Morgan die cracks...fairly common from what I can see. I must say I am impressed with the wealth of information on here!
I purchased a tube of BU 1902 O Morgans and noticed 5 had the same reverse scratches. Upon closer inspection and magnification they are actually die cracks, very visable to the eye and 2 on each coin. One runs from above the E in UNITED, through the E, through the D, across the wing, through the I (In) and gets faint below the A in STATES. The other runs through the MERI in AMERICA. There is no EDO crack, which seems to be the most common on this dollar? I am not a collector and just purchased them for the silver value. Should I set these apart as something more valueable than that or are these fairly common (they are in lower MS condition)Thanks in advance
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 United States
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Welcome to Coin Community.  The cracks, in and of themselves, are not a value-added feature. Their value is in helping to attribute whatever known variety the coin is; there are a few 1902-O's which have added collector value. Have a look here, to start: http://www.coincommunity.com/us_mor...is-a-vam.asp |
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 United States
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Thank you, that helps (and the microscope!) Here are the three things I noticed.
1.)The 1 in the date is slightly closer to the rim than the 902 on the crack coins than the others.
2.)UNIT(ED) and AM(ERI)CA on the back is very slightly doubled on the die crack coins (doubling is more obvious on the letters that are near the cracks).
3.)There are also two non crack coins with the bottom of the 2 in the date filled with what looks like an extra blob of metal.
4.)I bit them all and they seem real because I left fairly deep teeth marks.
5.) That was a joke.
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New Member
United States
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Looking at the ones with the filled in 2's they also have smaller die cracks in the hair above the date and on the back along AMERICA. The mint mark is slightly crooked on these two as well. Thanks!
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4.)I bit them all and they seem real because I left fairly deep teeth marks.
5.) That was a joke.
You're gonna fit in just fine around here. OK, now that you've had a slight introduction to VAMs, I'm going to throw you into the deep end: http://www.vamworld.com/1902-O+VAMs |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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 the best results on questions is most found with pictures and not descriptions which run-amuck please post some so we can all be on the same page...  |
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so we can all be on the same page Heh... you are such a dreamer Gene..... eventually, someone will arrive on the scene and actually identify Morgan die varieties, and folks will wonder how they ever bought into this VAM hocus pocus. Die cracks are an integral factor in die identification, but since vams are not die varieties, "the same page" will wait until the inevitable dumping of this VAM smoke and mirrors for a system of die varieties that actually rises to the level of common sense. I think that you should hold onto the coins 6x6..... when die varieties begin to matter, some coins might take dramatic swings in value. |
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United States
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Quote:eventually, someone will arrive on the scene and actually identify Morgan die varieties, and folks will wonder how they ever bought into this VAM hocus pocus. Soon, zeewool. Soon. |
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Pillar of the Community
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I like what you are saying Dave..... I hope that you know something that I don't... Maybe someone will straighten out all of the misinformation as to cause as well (ie.. the dash varieties for instance). |
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YGM. |
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New Member
United States
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Holy smokes...that is alot of variations! Well, after hours under the scope and looking at every VAM I think the two coins with the filled 2's are some VAM or variation of VAM 31?. The Obverse is 1112 10 with a filled in 2. it has 1.) Doubled ear lobe and double strike on inner ear. 2.) Close date 3.) Filled bottom of the 2 The reverse is C4/C3 you or Q. It has a lot going on. 1.) Double Olive 2.) Double leaves on the left side of the wreath 3.) Double Eagle nostril and eye 4.) Double edge on the lower arrowhead 5.) Doubled upper wing feathers on left wing 6.) Doubling in AMERICA 7.) Mint mark high and tilted left. I have no idea of VAM values, but probably worth more than the silver in low MS? Thanks again for all the help. I will try to take some pictures, but everything looked just like the pictures of different VAM's Dave sent (thanks Dave!) |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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As you should well know Zee. I have many old lamps for new dreams....  and well know our ideas on die variations or should I say...the multiple die variation thingy...I do have the 02 book but won't even try with descriptions...in reality as far as the 02-0 series goes most are not valued coins....PERIOD...so one must figure out what the VAM thing is and the valued VAM thing is or any given date and year over the series collection, as most fill the holes in our books, and the VAM thing came around.... |
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