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 Posted 11/16/2006  4:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow looks more then a crater on the moon than an MS63

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 Posted 11/16/2006  4:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
NNC. Feh.
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 Posted 11/16/2006  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by SuperDave

NNC. Feh.



Yes I know there are like 102 slabbers and only pcgs and ngc come close to what me and my friend thing the true grade should be

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 Posted 11/16/2006  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
on an unrelated matter and never posted on the internet here is the monthly chart of gold in dollars
A positive buy
If anybody wants to move this chart please note I claim copyright under the copyright act for me and my friend seven
Either leave it here or delete it
That are the only legal options I offer after some of the fellow knights thougt it necessary to report I was insulting the forum owners



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 Posted 11/16/2006  5:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PS
weekly and daily charts are available for people I have put on my white list

Ask and you will receive if you are on the white list
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 Posted 11/16/2006  9:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by ageka

on an unrelated matter and never posted on the internet here is the monthly chart of gold in dollars
A positive buy
If anybody wants to move this chart please note I claim copyright under the copyright act for me and my friend seven
Either leave it here or delete it
That are the only legal options I offer after some of the fellow knights thougt it necessary to report I was insulting the forum owners




Ageka, a very interesting chart. It reinforces my observation that small investors have demonstrated a continued discontent with the national economy on this side of the puddle and are putting whatever funds they have left into something more substantial than some company's piece of paper stating they own a share of it.
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 Posted 11/16/2006  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by SuperDave

NNC. Feh.



I would state something stronger than this about NNC, but this is a family-oriented forum. Suffice it to state that NNC would (and probably did) grade as MS a coin which had been run over by a locomotive.
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 Posted 11/17/2006  05:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Morgan Fred
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Ageka, a very interesting chart. It reinforces my observation that small investors have demonstrated a continued discontent with the national economy on this side of the puddle and are putting whatever funds they have left into something more substantial than some company's piece of paper stating they own a share of it.
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Fred
Normally these bubbles in the making have three phases

Phase 1 Only the experts see it
In this case coincollectors , coindealers, goldbugs, the miners themselves etc

Phase 2 Which may or may not have started is when Bondinvestors, savvy private share investors ,banks, pension funds, private pension investors, see it

Phase 3 This is were it gets intresting
The public gets aware and drives prices up vertically and the higher it goes the more it gets in the media the more it is bought

Sofar since the downmovement stopped we had 9 , 9 , 12 , 12 , 18
months cycles ( all multiples of 3)
We are in month seven , so if history repeats we could have an high at 9 months in january or 12 or 18
The graph at the bottom will go red and when it goes white again that cycle is finished
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 Posted 11/17/2006  8:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by ageka

Phase 3 This is were it gets intresting
The public gets aware and drives prices up vertically and the higher it goes the more it gets in the media the more it is bought

Sofar since the downmovement stopped we had 9 , 9 , 12 , 12 , 18
months cycles ( all multiples of 3)
We are in month seven , so if history repeats we could have an high at 9 months in january or 12 or 18
The graph at the bottom will go red and when it goes white again that cycle is finished



Ageka, does this apply only to gold bullion or to both bullion and gold coins in general?
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 Posted 11/18/2006  05:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fred
Stricktly speaking it applies to 12 kilo goldbars
which are stored at the London Metal Exchange (24 pounds bars)
But in practice for the moment it also applies to 1 kilo bars

But once the prices get bid up I expect a 10-15% extra on bullion coins
( 1.5% at the moment in Belgium for one ounce bullion coins )

And I expect the rarity margin on old gold coins to shoot up as well

If society is still affluent the rarity factor may be very large
If society is no longer affluent margin may come down on very rare coins or dissapear comoletely like margin on old sovereigns post 1900 dissappeared in 1980 for ever ( it was 25-35%)
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 Posted 11/20/2006  07:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I asked this vendor for a better picture before bidding
He told me he had no better picture and allready a good offer

Turns out he had no good offer and lost at least 125 dollars due to the bad picture
The coin went for 11% over melt and we will never know that our decision to rank it XF was right

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 Posted 11/20/2006  11:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It never ceases to amaze me why sellers who list coins worth hundreds or thousands do not upload decent images. I've been following certain Morgans very closely for several weeks and perhaps 75% of the auctions have pictures so poor that no possible assessment can be made of the coin (yet they state, "You judge from the picture." ). I generally skip right over them. I contacted one seller with a good reputation who was offering what seemed to be really nice coins with a good return policy, asked him if he could post images which weren't so bright, would better show the coin. He said it was the best he could do with his scanner. Under those circumstances, I just won't bid. Seems to me for the sale price of just one of his Morgans, he could buy a good camera and make up the cost in the sale of his next Morgan with a much higher realized price. He must be losing thousands each week.
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 Posted 11/20/2006  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This vendor attitude vis a vis pictures is incredible
I once asked a big german vendor for a better pic
and he replied his pics were more then adequate
He uses small purple icons ( to the left of the text )
When I see one of those purple things I do not even open
the post any more
He can sell to allthat cannot grade and will take his word for it
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 Posted 11/22/2006  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
She has sold all in all one gsm for 30.5 euro
and has now inherited a gold coin
It is heavy gold and the coin is heavy
It is a collectors item


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 Posted 11/22/2006  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I kept changing my glasses and it still wouldn't focus. Too bad for the seller. Presuming the St. Gaudens is not a counterfeit, the seller got less than 25% of what the coin would be worth in its lowest grade. To quote a popular 1960s song, "When will they ever learn...".
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