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Pillar of the Community
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The post about the 1964 "fantasy" Peace dollar got me to thinking. Since the 1913 Liberty Head nickel was not an official issue, it seems that it would count as a fantsay coin as well. Ditto for the 1894-S dime. So would marketing re-worked coins with those dates be akin to what Mr. Carr has done with the Peace dollar? |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Completely different situations. A fantasy is a coin that for all intent and purpose, does not exist. Five 1913 Liberty nickels are in existence, I have seen two of them myself. The 1894-S dime had a mintage of 24 with 9 known survivors. If you make copies of them without adhering to the Hobby Protection Act, then you would be counterfeiting. The US Mint produced 316,106 1964-D Peace dollars but according to their records, all specimens were destroyed. One was not even saved for the National Numismatic Collection at the Smithsonian Museum. It may be debatable whether some ever made it out the the Denver Mint, but solid evidence has never been produced to prove the current existence of a 1964-D. It is a coin that existed at one time but it is also a coin that should not exist now due to deliberate actions taken by the Mint. Edited by biokemist6
06/17/2011 11:31 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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on record all 1933 St Gaudens had been melted down but we all know that isn't true because we have all seen one sell for over 7 million dollars. Buuuuut what if someone made a 1933 St Gaudens "fantasy" coin before these were ever brought to light out of an original 1928 st gaudens, would this original 1933 still bring 7 million or would everyone just say it could be one of those phantasy pieces that got minted a few years ago? This is what bothers me about this practice, just because something isn't known doesn't mean it will not be found one day in someones attic or shoe box
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Bedrock of the Community
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Not entirely true, part of the records for the 1933 Double Eagle was the export license issued by the Department of Treasury that enabled King Farouk to obtain the sole legal specimen. The Secret Service also knew early on that some other 1933s had been stolen/switched out and they seized several of them in the next couple decades. Also part of the official records is the fact that the 1933 mintage was never recorded as being completely destroyed- two of them were added to the National Numismatic Collection. Not a single 1964-D was added to the NNC and not a single one has ever been sighted or seized, hence the contention that all have been destroyed.
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks for the good info!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The 1894-S dime was not a fantasy issue. Its mintage of 24 pieces was recorded in the official mint records as an official coinage.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I love Mr Carrs work and I am going to get one of those Peace dollars at some point. As for wether one is out there or not...hell yes. Think about it. They sold a lot of them to mint employees before release as is the normal practice. They recalled those but no records were kept as to who got them and who turned them back in. I can tell you now, were I an employee at the time, I sure wouldn't have given mine back. As for none showing up. All you have to do is look at the governments ridiculous waste of time and taxpayer money trying to get back a few simple gold pieces, and you would not let a whisper get out that you had one of these Peace dollars. My opinion is we will see some pop up if the current lawsuit against the government over some of those 33's lands the way t should, in favor of the folks that rightfully own them. |
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1964-D I looked in D-Mint records and found the coins went directly to Assay to be melted from the Coining room. Every grain was accounted for: non exist.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Think about it. They sold a lot of them to mint employees before release as is the normal practice. Actually that is NOT normal practise. At least not in the 20th century. I'm sure some of it went on in the 19th century. |
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Posted 06/18/2011 12:56 pm
