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Civil War Token: Franz Sigel & Oliver Boutwell?

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 Posted 06/20/2011  8:05 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add andyjacksontoken to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Any help with the history and/or value of these tokens would be greatly appreciated. The man on horse is F. Sigel with Union For Ever on the other side. I was told the other token was a civil war trade token issued by a local vendor or something like that. Many thanks for any help.

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 Posted 06/21/2011  12:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
CWT , specifically, patriotic and store card types (advertising token).

Patriotics tend to sell for less, because huge quantities were made and sold for $8/1000 to be used for change. Store cards were smaller runs, used as change with the twist of advertising for the merchant.
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 Posted 06/21/2011  1:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Both of these CWT's are among the most common varieties encountered. The Boutwell card looks to have taken a damagng hit. I'd value it at but $5, retail, if that's the case. Some ebay sellers might surmise that it got that hit at Gettysburg. The patriotic token does portray Sigel, the "hero of Pea Ridge" - typically weakly struck as such above the rider's image. This one looks XF, and IMHO a $15-$18 token. Both could benefit from an acetone treatment which would likely remove most, if not all of the surface contaminants.

IMHO, there are many exceptions to what biggfredd wrote. Among patriotics, there are very common varieties that typically bring two or three times what other common ones bring; more specifically, the Monitor and cannon pictorials, slavery - die #36, primitives, the copperhead/pacifist issues ... Subject matter and historical significance exert a strong influence when it comes to the worth of many patriotics.
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Thanks again for the info. Exoguy: I checked the Oliver Boutwell token and there is no dent or ding in it. Just a blemish that looks that way on the photo. It's actually in great condition. Many thanks for the info. I think I'll be keeping these as well. This is one interesting hobby.
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 Posted 06/21/2011  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CheetahCats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Exo about everything except the Acetone.
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There are certainly differing schools of thought on the use of acetone; this, as Cheetah and I have expressed. I'd suggest trying it on some older, common Lincolns, then the damaged storecard. There's really no downside. If you like the results and see this form of cleaning as a means of conservation, use it on coins, tokens, medals that will benefit. I don't use it on items that won't benefit from this treatment. Just make sure that the specimen is completely dry before housing it in a newer, PVC-free flip.
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I listed these real cheap on ebay if abyone is interested. $4.99 for the pair, starting bid. Thanks
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Exo - I have seen first hand acetone ruin copper specimens.

It has a tendency to behave photosensitive on copper and copper-alloyed planchets.
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Hi Cheetah - I've been using acetone on coppers for over thirty years now, and I've never experienced a problem. Literally hundreds of my coppers have been wit me for 10, 20 and 30+ years in the same 2x2. Upon periodically revisiting them, I've yet to see any problem! I don't treat all coppers, just the ones that appear to have surface contaminants and/or came to me in mylar flips. I don't use the acetone that women use to remove fingernail polish. I get mine at the hardware store. I prefer Blue Ribbon which has an acetone base, but as my supply is dwindling, I reserve its use for better coins/tokens.

The key with acetone is to make sure that the host is dry before repackaging, I've found. Perhaps, the ruined coins you saw, Cheetah, weren't fully dry and/or were subjected to other inhibitors like heat, humidity, etc.?
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 Posted 07/29/2011  11:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CheetahCats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Exo - which time periods of coppers have you used acetone on? (U.S. emissions, CWTs, etc?)
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All coins or tokens, from colonials on up, Cheetah. I'm more inclined to use it on the lower grade coins that have surface residue, come in old flips or otherwise appear to have been contaminated. I regard this more as a form of conservation than of cleaning; this, as my role of caretaker. IMHO, this process is akin to an antiquarian who might have an old book rebound. Generally though, I ascribe to the philosophy, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
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Thanks.

At separate times the negative outcomes were with Conders and Canadian coppers. Though I had previously used it on other coppers, I ceased using it on all coppers as a precaution.

Since then, I have only used it to conserve 20th century silver in efforts to mitigate PVC.
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