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What Is Really Going On With China's Econ An Pm Hoarding?

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 Posted 06/22/2011  1:31 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
So yet another email form money morning an this one had me scratchin my head a bit, the hoarding motives seem to be making sense now if what they are saying about their housing markets come to pass....


Dear Money Morning Reader,

We already know how the 2008 financial collapse devastated U.S. stocks and sent gold soaring.

Less well known is how Beijing's banks made loans totaling 20 trillion yuan ($3.1 trillion dollars) to shore up their failing economy and around a trillion dollars of that money is expected to go... poof!

A lot of people like to praise China's economy. A lot of people can be wrong.

We know that the richer Chinese are nervous. They're hoarding things of value. Like gold. Purchases doubled in first quarter 2011. It's most likely going to escalate, according to our source.

You should hear what our source has learned about gold - it's not what's being reported by the "gold is grand" news media.

See the real story about gold as Beijing's day of reckoning draws near.

Sincerely,



Mike Ward
Publisher, Money Morning

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 Posted 06/22/2011  1:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry my comp froze up and triple posted, lol. this was the finished copy and paste above....
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 Posted 06/22/2011  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Isn't there more to that story? Maybe a link to the rest of it?
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 Posted 06/22/2011  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tokenmast to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
CHINA URGES CITIZENS TO BUY SILVER BULLION..this has been out awhile on YouTube so its not just the rich

can't think of any more to add ...added enough,, lots
and lots of adding..
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 Posted 06/22/2011  2:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I was more scratching my head over China having econ troubles, I thought they were doing pretty good. And no more to the story Thunder, they send out these little teasers to get you to sign up to whatever I imagine....

Gold has had some big numbers in recent days, which seems to go along with the short letter....
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06/22/2011 2:44 pm
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 Posted 06/22/2011  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stewart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
China is by no means in as great a shape as some think
they have entire Cities that they have built during
their recent real estate boom that are sitting empty
with just barely support staff, Police,Fire and
other essential personnel along with a small handful
of businesses and workers. for an entire city.
These towns look like newly built Ghost Towns
with no population living in them,
And they built quite a few of them on the speculation
that If we build it they will come.
Well nobody came.
Check out this link for pictures of these Ghost Cities

http://www.businessinsider.com/pict...10-12?slop=1
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Many of the stories about Chinese banking gold left out the fact that the depositor can't collect their physical gold. It is a scam for the central banks to get possession of the gold, and the depositor just gets a recording in a passbook. Most likely same for silver. It is smart on Chinese side. It arouses US as to why we can't trade gold through bank accounts and mis-states the stability of the chinese citizen economy. It is the government that can then state the "depositor's gold" as their gold also as the depositor will not get physical back. IMO.
read the 3rd bullet.

http://www.bochk.com/web/common/mul...&fldr_id=251

Jim
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I don't think the Chinese economy will return to the glory days, until and unless the other world economies get back on their feet; those empty cities and manufacturing sites depended on exports to Asian, North & South American and European countries during good times, including many foreign companies (Airbus, Boeing, Caterpillar, etc..) that opened Chinese branches to be close to new Chinese customers. It's a Catch-22
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I think China's well publicized 7% growth rate while the rest of the world is floundering around seems a bit optimistic. Who are they selling all of this production to? They are making dirty deals with the likes of Iran, North Korea, Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, and all of the rest of the world's most treacherous societies. When Nixon went to China he opened the gateway to legitimacy for this cold-hearted band of killers. Now they traipse around the planet as if communism is the eventual victor and we all know that to the victor goes the spoils of war. They even have the nerve to saber rattle every time we call the bluff of these nasty little nations. They have the nerve to drill for oil less than 100 miles from our very shores. It's a crying shame the way our politicians have sold us out to the point where we are in the economic grasp of these criminals. I remember the pride I felt inside when we gave the pledge of allegiance before school every morning. I used to get goosebumps during the last words of our National Anthem. Now I am forced to switch my life's savings into precious metals because our real wealth is all being shipped overseas. To the Chinese.
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thanks for the link stewart. After the ghost cities slideshow, the interesting facts on china was a good read too:
http://www.businessinsider.com/15-f...-mind-2010-2
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Junior, well said.
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So the question is, is China going to lose tons of money to a drop in gold?
Silverhawk you said this story was a hook or something to get people to subscribe, so is the economy really in for a disaster?
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 Posted 06/22/2011  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tough question Rachums107, I have been thinking on this a bit, and I am sure many would trust a flip of their pocket silver piece before taking my advice, lol...

I think the economy crashing world wide is comparable to an over extended Empire who's borders have grown too large. It is not a matter of if, but when it will collapse upon itself....

Generally, people who run the country are an elite small group, who you assume will step in and prevent the metaphorical domino's from getting started so to speak, on the entire "Too big to fail" angle, and I have always figured those in charge too be smarter than the average bear, and I am just not so sure about that anymore. If push came to shove, I figure we would come out on top if the economy crashed or a world war broke out, but any of you feel comfortable if half our current generation say 18 to 35 was suddenly thrown into a D day situation? I would not be feeling as good about our chances, as I would have with the former generation who actually did fight in World war II. On the flip side to that argument, all the soldiers we have abroad, I would put complete trust in them and the experienced they have acquired for some of which have pulled multiple tours....

When it does collapse, that just means there will be one direction to go from there, back up again, and eventually we will pick up the pieces, go back to our daily routines, bus as usual, even if that is under perhaps a new one world government, or something along those lines....
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 Posted 06/22/2011  11:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ron2012Paul to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I pray that its not a one world government cause then our constitution gets thrown out the window....wait; hasnt it already?
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Something else to consider... isn't this 'China taking over the world' nonsense just like the 'Japan taking over the world' nonsense back in the 1980s? So, how did that work out for the Japanese? Their economy never quite recovered from that. Is China so very different? Probably not.
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 Posted 06/24/2011  02:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Why are the Chinese hoarding PM's? Simple, they are smart like all of us, lol. They may fear that the entire system will soon implode on itself, and are doing the next best thing to defend against it. Turn their worthless dollars or their own currency into PM's....
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