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Show Of Hands: Any Classic Pattern Collectors?

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 Posted 06/28/2011  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll take a look and see if I can find it. I'm not quite sure where it is at at the moment but I think I know where it is. I got lucky back when I bought the thing. It is actually well worn, only VG to Fine. Made it the cheapest pattern I've ever seen, only cost me $100, but it was still a pattern. Of course that was back in the mid to late 70's.
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 Posted 07/02/2011  01:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Patterns are RARE, especially the U.S. ones, for specific reasons. My advice is, if you can get ANY pattern, from ANY country for a reasonable price, jump on it.

Just bear in mind in my previous post that for some countries, they are produced in large numbers to familiarise the public with a proposed new issue. Also, some 'patterns' are touted as patterns, but they are not. These are just commercial fantasy pieces, such as the Edward V111 crown 'patterns'.

That does not make them less interesting, but to have a genuinely rare pattern is somewhat of an achievement. The non U.S. ones in this category in my collection have come from auction.
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 Posted 07/04/2011  11:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add delaner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's the trick, isn't it: figuring out what a reasonable price is... =)
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This 1855 Flying Eagle cent may be a condition census coin ... on the low end! The eagle, date and reverse details are very well worn but visible. There's no apparent damage, just honest wear. It must've been some oldtime collector's pocket piece or lucky piece as I can't envision it otherwise circulating to garner such extreme wear. In terms of availability, this pattern is much rarer than the far more pricey 1856 Flying Eagle, so the album makers will likely never include it in a set.

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 Posted 07/06/2011  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add delaner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's the thing, ExoGuy - you can pick these up in the low 60's for under $5000. You can't get a '56 FE in ANY condition for under $7 or $8000 - and if you can, tell me where!!
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 Posted 07/06/2011  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've seen a few of these 1855's over the years at shows; $2-3,000 range. Shows are the best hunting grounds for these elusive pattern coins, Delaner.

This low grade specimen cost me all of $75 from a dealer/collector about eight years ago. This may well be a record low price for a U.S. pattern coin in recent decades? Regardless, it's proven to be quite a conversation piece over the years. Among serious coin collectors, being those who invest in and read books about coins, the 1856 Flying Eagle's are, IMHO, the best known pattern coins. This 1855 is a close cousin and, given its size (smaller than a large cent) and copper content, it's very much a transitional piece between the large cent and smaller eagle cent type. While I'm not a big fan of slabs, I thought it best to get this unusual coin properly housed so that no more wear could be inflicted and that future owners would doubtless know what it is.
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 Posted 07/06/2011  4:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow!

First time peeking in on this thread. Beautiful coins robbudo (I expected nothing less!)

Jaobler, is that pattern (J160) actually a doubled die? Or was that the intended pattern? Forgive me if I sound ignorant.

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Cool story, Exoguy - yes, I'm sure that's a record for an 1855 small cent!

robbuddo - that 1863 is so bright I thought my monitor might burn out for a second! GORGEOUS!
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Exoguy, $75!
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Hi I'm new to site and noticed post thought I would join in. I have a few patterns, some inherited, some purchased (4th generation coin collector). This one actually has been in my family for quite some time.

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We're not normally happy with threads being resurrected from two years in the past, but this is worth an exception. Welcome to Coin Community, THEKID13. A J4 Birch Cent, right? Is this one in the known census? And I'm guessing you're aware of its' importance and value?
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I used to own one an 1863 2¢ pattern Judd-312 it was the one with the "God our Trust" instead of "In God We Trust" Motto. and the reverse had the word cents extremely curved. IIRC it was only a PR63, I always wanted the earlier 1836 Washington head 2¢ pattern, and a Gobrecht dollar - No stars obverse name on base, should have bought that impaired proof for $4800 back in 1982 when I had the chance, now I can't even think of owning one without hitting the lottery or having some unknown wealthy relative die and leave me a fortune! But that Gobrecht dollar I passed on still sticks in my mind clear as day.

In my coin dealing days I did have a few of the 3¢ nickel patterns and a Liberty head (same as the Three Cent piece design) nickel pass through my inventory, none were all that expensive at the time, and probably still aren't - then they were all well under $1K, I'd guess the prices are still fairly low as they were all pretty common - at least as pattern coins go.
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 Posted 01/08/2014  07:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add THEKID13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I apologize SsuperDdave, truthfully until you mentioned resurrection I didn't notice the last posted date. Not sure about census my father gave it to me when I got married. Every major event in His/my life he would give me a rare coin since I was seven. As to importance and value, I understand, I turned down an offer last year that made my wife think I'm crazy, but my only obsession is collecting, every moment my kids and employees leave me at peace I'm at it.

1863 has a few of my favorite patterns _ westcoin _
Here is another pattern 1863 1C " L on Ribbon " J-302

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Actually, to clarify the J-302 design for 1864 (but dated 1863), has the pointed bust and Longacre's "L" initial on the ribbon. If picture was more clear you would notice this coin is a business strike over a pattern, why, I have no idea. There is a point right in front of the rounded bust and the restrike over original pattern did not however damage the "L" at all.
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