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Badthad- Verdicare On Gold Coins?

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I have a Half Eagle with a small amount of verdigris in the tail feathers and in one letter. Will your product remove or stabilize verdigris on tis coin safely? Thanks!
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Emmm... I could be wrong here, but gold doesn't get verdigris. Is it possible it's PVC damage?

Either way, it'd be good to know! BadThad?
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Gold has copper impurities and can technically develop small spots of verdigris. Peronsally, I have never seen it though. I would be very curious to see the outcome. Can you post some close-up pictures for me?
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@junior e - I don't know if I hi-jacked your thread but I apologized if I acted so. I'm also concerned of my gold coin that has some green spot..

BadThad, my old gold coin has a tiny green spot, is this verdigris? Never have this before, it's only lately I discovered this spot upon closer inspection. Here's the link of my coins and the close up pic of the said coins too at the bottom of the thread.. https://goccf.com/t/90658

Thanks..
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I would imagine that lower percentage foriegn gold would be more likely to develope verdigres than 90% US gold coins.
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I believe most foreign gold is 900 fine or better. British gold is 916 fine.
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Update. Last night under lighted magnification I took a needle and the green stuff just fell of cleanly as soon as I touched it. In about five minutes I got rid of all of it without touching the gold.
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BadThad, my old gold coin has a tiny green spot, is this verdigris? Never have this before, it's only lately I discovered this spot upon closer inspection. Here's the link of my coins and the close up pic of the said coins too at the bottom of the thread..


It appears to be a stain, not verdigris. I saw you used a fruit extract or something, which is basically a citric acid solution. Personally, I would not have done that. Acid and coins do not get along. Acid tends to washout or remove the patina. I would use the solvent ladder to attempt to address that, i.e. soak in distilled water, acetone and then xylene, in that order. I doubt VC will have any effect because it's very gentle and not designed to remove stains.
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Update. Last night under lighted magnification I took a needle and the green stuff just fell of cleanly as soon as I touched it. In about five minutes I got rid of all of it without touching the gold.



I definately would not have recommended that method. Do not use metal implements on coins. The chances of damage are very high, especially on a soft metal like gold.

The best way to address it without VC would be to put a small drop of distilled water over the spot forming a dome. Allow it to sit for a minute or two, then use a toothpick or, even better, a thorn to physically remove the surface debris. Also, when done, you should rinse the coin with acetone and put it into an airtite holder to keep the corrosion from reforming.
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I'll find out if I screwed it up or not. I resubmitted the coin to NGC today. It's a 1908 P Indian Half Eagle, so if I messed it up it'll just be a bullion stash coin instead of a seller. If I didn't screw it up it will be around AU58. It was listed as PVC instead of Verdigris on the body bag.
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If was PVC, you should have used acetone on it. PVC residue is easy to remove. The verdigris component usually comes right off with the plasticizer. The only problem is when it's on there too long, a pit will form. If you haven't yet, I'd still give an acetone soak so, if they do grade it, it's not eating away at a microscopic level while the coins sits in a holder.
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It's already sent out. I guess live and learn on this one. It mahy come back in a bag anyway SFO we'll see. It was a few very small spots.
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