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Pillar of the Community
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Just wondering if anyone has ever bought some and broke them apart to sell?
I mean I know people do it, but is there any strategy? If I'm looking to buy a "BU" roll of coins, what price should I look to get per coin? Should I assume that the coins are lets say MS62?
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Bedrock of the Community
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not sure if you are talking about mint sets or rolls of coins. I am guessing mint sets because breaking up of rolls is called pocket change (actually I would think a mint set coin once broken out would be considered pocket change also, unless it was a date they didn't make a certain denomination for circulation). The roll of BU coins you are looking at buying, are they a roll made up from mint sets or just rolls from the bank (not sure it really matters since they are all handled the same way). Now if they are from proof sets and someone made a whole roll from different proof sets thats different but would need more information from you before anyone can advice you on what you are asking
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I'm talking about breaking up rolls of coins. Like if I bought a BU set of 1950-D (for example) nickels. What do you think I could expect to pay for something like that. I know a lot of people keep BU rolls of pennies each year.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I am not sure what a 1950 nickel is worth, it would be just like finding a 1950 nickel in your pocket change. Just because they are in a roll doesn't mean they are uncirculated either so can't really say all are going to be at least MS-62 I wouldn't think. I would waitt and hear from some roll searchers to see what they say
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Tough question. So many variables. CDN (6/17/11) lists the 1950d BU roll at $320. But less darkened coins and more for gem FS. Lincolns I look for are 1983-1988 D's. $16,$11,$13,$21,$10 and $9.50 per roll, respectively. Less if they are spotted more if they are gem.
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Amida that's what I'm looking for. I'm just using a 50-D as an example here, but lets continue on that path. CDN is greysheet correct? What does CDN list a 1950-D nickel in MS60-63? At $320 a roll that puts each nickel at $8 each. Which in my best guess is roughly the price of an AU58 50-D nickel.
So if that were true, when I'm buying a 1950-D BU nickel roll, I should expect each coin to average out to AU58 condition. The money to be made would of course be if you get a nice MS66 or something with FS, but that's the chance you'd be taking.
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Yeah. But the bid price I used is the dealer to dealer price the "ask" or what they sell them for is about 15% higher. Ex ask for the 50d roll is $350...
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United States
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If you're looking to piece apart BU rolls and sell them individually, you're looking at quite the task. Even for one roll of 50-D nickels (as you proposed), you will still be holding part of the roll for a good part of a year. That's not to say, however, that there is not money to be made in turning over BU rolls. Dealer networking is really a key in making that profit.
Although the CDN may have bid/ask by roll, you do not have to necessarily sell a full roll off to dealers to make your profit. Some people purchase the rolls (or bulk) as individuals to cherry pick a larger sample of hard to find dates. Others do so to pick out the higher grade coins and send them off to the TPGs to turn a profit on the CCE or elsewhere.
If you are figuring you can purchase a roll with MS-62 average coins, then first research the current bid/ask levels and make sure you have at least one dealer source to dump if your attempts go south.
Also, be careful of your supplier. Many times the rolls that have been put together have already been cherrypicked for the higher grades. Because of this, many dealers that deal in BU rolls will offer 30-50% of CDN bid. Plan on spending some time with the dealer going through the roll if you try to flip a profit exchanging rolls from dealer to dealer.
I used to flip about a 20% profit selling BU and proof rolls years back, but focused on other dealings since. Still, last year I profited last year near 100% on some old rolls I had left over from my roll selling days.
Money can be made on rolls, but it is very time consuming. You have to figure you have your own reputation to look after. If you get bad rolls from your suppliers, you're stuck with them or selling them at a loss for what they are. It is going to take a lot of time to validate each coin you receive in the rolls you buy.
If you don't validate the quality of the coins you buy, and simply pass them off to your next customer, your own reputation will be damaged.
Now, this is trading in rolls. You are asking about breaking these down and selling them piece by piece. If it is so much work just trading full rolls, imagine the work involved in piecing them out individually. Is it really worth the meager profit you may make?
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No I doubt it's worth it at all, but I was curious. I think if I were to get into the BU rolls I would cherry pick only the best 2 or 3 and fill those spots back up and try to dump the roll off as such.
I think the hardest part would be finding a good supplier.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I have made alot of money from rolls in the past. Of course, those rolls were First Day of Issue 2009 LP3 and 2010 Shield Cent rolls that were obtained from the official release ceremonies and then postmarked to certify FDI status. And of course, I will probably never be able to replicate that kind of earning power from rolls ever again  I managed to catch lightning in a bottle twice but I do not think it will happen a third time for me.
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Valued Member
United States
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Here is what I did recently. I got full rolls of 2004-08 Sacagawea dollars in P&D. Then I'll crack them open and keep a few good looking ones for me. The rest I'll sell over time. The ones I keep are high grade, and will be worth some, some day, and the ones I sell, I'll at least break even on, if not make a few cents. BTW these coins are NIFC. I hope this is somewhat related to what you are asking.
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So I won 5 auctions on ebay for 5 BU nickel rolls. Total cost was $51, which included shipping. So I wanted to give this a shot because 3 of the rolls I'll surely find an upgrade for my Dansco. Plus this should help me grade nickels a little bit better. The guy had a lot of other coin rolls, so this should also be a good test sample to see what kind of stock I'm dealing with. All in all it's $50 and I'm pretty sure I can recover that even if it's over time.
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Pillar of the Community
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a lot of big time coin dealers on ebay buy rolls and sell coins individually. there is profit to be made but you will be holding the coins for quite a while. the big dealers have several rolls of different denominations and different years so they can constantly sell. you will make money but you need patience. you can't sell it all overnight, or in a week. it takes time to sell individual coins.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I think rolls take up a lot of room and to buy a roll of plain, everyday coins and store for a possible, maybe, could be future profit is way to doubtfull. Some may hit it off OK, some great but I would think the average person with the average rolls of coins could do better with a savings account in a bank.
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I'm glad you're talking about "older" coins in rolls, at least. Because the new Gold Fever in the last ten years or so, was this very thing with the State Quarter BU rolls---and then now still the Parks Qtr. rolls. So, I agree with Carl, as usual, in that respect. The "future payday" for these is unclear and doubtful for those still holding....and many stopped "holding" when they didn't make their "million dollar payday", like they'd hoped. I caught the fever somewhat as well...  ..  ...and like most, cashed them in at the bank eventually, when it became costly and unrewarding, financially, to keep them any longer. I do still have some of these rolls and related materials, but not what I once had. HECK ! I EVEN BOUGHT MY WIFE A SPA TREATMENT WITH ONE OF MY State Quarter CASH-IN'S ! .....  Education and reality always catch up to you one way or another ! ....  But so, yeah, older and/or Classic coins, esp. Silver, would do GREAT in BU rolls. I've seen them at auctions do VERY well before. Even common date Wheat cent rolls do well. So, as long as your "inventory" or "stock" doesn't overreach your capability to store them, I think it's a great idea to add to your collection......long term or short term.
Edited by eaglefoot 06/30/2011 11:05 am
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