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Would these two examples that are shown be more of a collar
issue then a MAD ?
No
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Is it MAD or can it be MADS
Both obv. and rev. seem misaligned.
Either the hammer die, or the anvil, or both may be misalligned. The anvil die though is constrained within the collar so it can not be very far out of alignment. The hammer die on the other hand can be so far out of alignment that the edge of the die can be near the center of the coin. While I have never seen a coin with that much misalignment coins exist showing die clash marks that show that much misalignment. And yes it is possible to have coins with both dies misaligned.
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Also the term broadstruck comes to mind. Not on these
two but I have found a few dimes with off center strikes
that were in EF/AU condition but with no reeding whatsoever.
Off-center coins typically do not show reeding.
Broadstruck coins occur when the collar jams and retracts with the anvil die. Typically after a coin is struck the anvil die rise up and pushes the coin out of the collar. If the collar then jams when the anvil die retracts it pulls the collar down with it and the face of the anvil die remains flush with the top surface of the collar. This means the next planchet is not surrounded and restrained by the collar When it is struck it can expand outward to a larger than normal diameter. Also since the collar is missing no reeded edge is formed. If the planchet is perfectly centered on the dies you get what is called a centered broad strike. If the planchet is off to one side, but the entire design is still visible on the coin, then is is called an uncentered broadstrike. If it is off to one side and part of the design is missing, it is an off-center strike.
Off-center strikes are a little odd because they can occur whether the collar is properly in place or not. If the collar is jammed down the off-center will typically be flat. If the collar is in it's normal position the Off-center may show a slight bend where the struck portion is forced down inside the collar, and there may be traces of reeding at either edge of the struck portion. There may also be traces of reeding showing on the anvil side of the coin along the arc of the struck portion. (This comes from the metal being forced down into the collar and up against it.)