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 Posted 07/05/2011  1:01 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add lukkyseven to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Alright so I refuse to go buy a new lens until I can start taking better pictures with the one I have! I will attempt to use this coin all the way through my critique series so that we can see how I'm progressing. Hopefully you can learn something from this as well. For all pictures I will re-size the width to 800 so the image will be consistent (and hopefully the results are better)!

This coin is toned and probably in MS64 shape. I chose it because it doesn't have the best strike, there are imperfections that we should be able to see and lastly... it's toned like you couldn't believe! Lavendar and pastel colors so I expect them to be hard to capture. So lets start from ground 0.

1939-S Jefferson nickel Take 1

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All photo's will be shot with my 18-55mm.

Settings:
ISO 800
F5.6
Shutter 1/125
White Balance - Tungsten

Let me know what else you could possible need!
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 Posted 07/05/2011  4:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your lights are at too low an angle to show much color. How many lights are you using? What is the original image size (pixel width and height) and how big is the coin in that image?
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More questions: actual focal length for the shot, and working distance camera to lens?
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 Posted 07/05/2011  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lukkyseven to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will have answers for you, but I don't right at this second.
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So the original image was 5184 x 3456. The coin in that image is 1339 x 1350. I was using two lights that I had available, but they might not be the best choices. I did take two other pictures with the same light, but at a closer focal point that I can post if you'd like.

Now how close was I? I'm not 100%, but probably 5-6" away on this one. The 18-55 isn't the best lens, but I know I can make it work for now :)
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 Posted 07/06/2011  11:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So you are shooting Canon? What model?

You should use your lens at 55mm to get the biggest image and longest working distance.

I assume you are already rigidly-mounting the camera on a tripod or copy stand, correct? If not, don't take another picture until you get the camera bolted-down rigidly to a stand or tripod (or somehow rigidly-attached) on the same surface as the coin you are trying to photograph.

Next step after getting everything rigid is to get the coin parallel to the sensor. Do this by putting a mirror where your coin goes, and adjusting the camera mount so that it's looking "down the barrel" of the lens.

Next is to frame the coin. Since your lens is not a macro lens, this is easy as there are fewer variables. Go to manual focus, Aperture Priority, 55mm focal length, and set the aperture wide open. Adjust the focus ring to just a little bit farther than closest focus position, then adjust the camera height so the coin is best focused. You still should have a little wiggle room + or - on the focus ring. If not, move the camera a bit farther away until you have some focus adjustment range. Place the coin so it appears level and centered in the viewfinder, LCD screen, or PC Monitor.

Next is to select release mode. Does your Canon have a "quiet" mode? If so, select it. And are you using remote release, or timed release, or better yet remote via PC tethering? You need to set up with one of these to avoid camera shake. If you don't have a wireless remote, or tethering software, just use timed release.

Next is to set best aperture for your lens. It is highly unlikely that your f/5.6 is optimum for the 18-55 kit lens. More likely is around f/8-f/11. This is not due to depth of field, but simply reducing lens aberrations to acceptable levels before diffraction degrades the image more. Focus for best clarity on the topmost surfaces of the coin's date. This is as far from the center of lens as you will get so will have the worst aberrations. Now take your first picture! Then adjust the aperture one stop smaller, and snap another. Then one stop smaller, and continue until you get to f/16 or even f/22. Download all these images to your PC and view the coin's date at 100% or even 200% magnification. Tab quickly from image to image and figure out which one has the best clarity on the top surface of the date. Don't look at anything else! Just look at the one feature. You may find that two apertures give pretty much the same result. If so, then pick the biggest aperture (smallest number) and run with that as your best setting for this lens.

Once you complete the above, you have finished the first and most important aspect of coin photography...focus. We can work on lighting later.

Let's see some more pictures of that '39-S Jeffie!


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EXIF data says they were shot at 55mm, rmpsrpms, which is where I use that lens for coin shooting. Lens - coin is about 12" for a Morgan, so 6" for a Nickel seems about right. For your info, lukkyseven:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exchan..._file_format

Note the "Viewing and editing EXIF data" section.

Lukkyseven, a couple suggestions. First, use rmpsrpms' method of getting the coin square to the camera: replace the coin with a mirror, and center the lens exactly in the viewfinder. The nickel is *slightly* out-of-focus on one side, indicating it's a little less than parallel to the lens. Next, use f/8 as aperture. This will increase depth of field a bit, possibly helping the focus (your lens is quite happy at f/8), and darken the image a bit which I believe is warranted in this case.

Also, drop ISO to 400 vs. 800. This will also darken the image - you might end up going to 1/100 or 1/80, but no problem with a Canon - but noise becomes a visible problem (if you're utterly obsessive, like me ) with this sensor at ISO800.

Don't change anything else - lighting, white balance, etc. See what you think of the coin then.
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 Posted 07/06/2011  11:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lukkyseven to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was shooting at 55mm actually. I don't know how I overlooked that question so I'm sorry.

I'm going out today to buy some new lights so I'll be able to set up the tripod in a different area of the house. I will pick up a small mirror also as I feel like that's an excellent idea. I also need to buy a tethering device. I really don't know all the stuff that came with the camera and I have to ask my wife if there's a PC tether somewhere.

I will snap a few more shots tonight when I get the tether hooked up as well as a few desk top LED lights. Making an hour drive to Ikea :(
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Dave I missed your post because it wasn't up as I was responding. I'll take a couple of shots with both methods, but I do need new lights. The ones used in this picture were my indoor plant lights (used to get seedlings started for the garden), but I switch the bulbs. I'm going out to the store in a few hours to get some of those little LED gooseneck lamps.
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 Posted 07/08/2011  12:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
lukky...so, can we see some more pictures of that '39?
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You most certainly can. I'll get some tonight. I'm at work until 6pm today and I've had some news at home thats taken up all of my time (I shall post later)! I've got a few other threads I need to post on too. Keep an eye out tonight and Ill do my absolute best to get some photo's up.
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Just to revive this. I'm cropping some pictures right now.

*Edited to add below this line*

Alright. So I thought I remember all of the correct camera settings, but I didn't. Regardless, I spent the time to upload these so I'm going to post them. They look a lot better than the prior ones. I have the gooseneck LED's for lighting now and I can tell it's throwing my white balance off. All said and done, it's better, but still needs work.

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Are these actual size? I think you're a bit too close for the lens to focus properly - I believe there's more sharpness to be had from it, but the tradeoff will be a smaller image.
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I cropped them down to 800x800. I'm going to dinner, but I'll back the lens up and try again when I get back. Let me know if there's anything else you think I should try.
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One thing at a time.
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I have the gooseneck LED's for lighting now and I can tell it's throwing my white balance off.


Me too! The easy fix for me was using the tungsten pre-set WB setting. The color temp in my camera for tungsten is very close to that of the Jansjo LED's. Gave me "almost" perfect color. The "correct" fix was making danged sure the reference image I took for setting my MWB actually came out WHITE and that meant playing with ISO/exposure times until I had it.
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