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I haven't bought many slabbed coins, and I see tons when I go to the coins shows and invariably they seem to cost more than non-slabbed coins. So that begs the question: are slabbed coins ever forged? Not the coin but the slab itself? and how would you check this out?
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there has been talk about forged slabs, many from China it seems.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It does happen. I never buy the slab... I Look at the coin first and if I agree with the grade on the slab, look the slab over then move ahead with the deal. People fake everything, you must learn how to spot a fake.
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One of the worrying problems with slabbed coins is if the coin itself is suspect, the coin can be partially 'hidden' inside the slab.
By that, I mean the suspect coin cannot be weighed without destroying the slab.
This sort of problem has arisen, because the slab cases themselves have been very expertly forged.
Just like Viagra, and computer software, where the 'secure' packaging has also been expertly forged.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I know that Third Party Graders change slab styles from time to time, but a list of styles with a weight range could help if the slabs had a consistent weight within each style. Does anyone know if this information is available? It could help judge the coin weight without cracking the slab.
The people making the fake coins don't worry about weight, why should the people making the fake slabs?
ANA ID: 3203813 - CONECA ID: N-5637 Clean a coin that may be worth collecting? Please DON'T! When in doubt, leave it dirty!! 
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Valued Member
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thanks, that's a valid point about the slab potentially hiding some problems, but what I was really thinking is that some of these never went through a grading service and someone just put it in a slab and had forged id on there. In my unscientific observation it seems slabs add 10-15 % premium on a cost.
and I am in total agreement you buy the coin not the slab. You would almost think the slab is like a guarantee but maybe not.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I think you would find that slab weight variation would not have tolerance ranges anywhere nearly as tight as the coin tolerance so weighing slabs will not tell you anything about the coins inside them.
Fake rattler slabs first appeared in 1989. next were fake ICG shells in 2002 but they were not being used to make fake ICG slabs and we got the company shut down immediately. Next were fake ANACS problem coin slabs in March of 2007. I've only seen one variety. Fake NGC slabs appeared in August of 2007 (NGC didn't confirm it publicly until Feb 2008) I've only seen one variety but there could be others. Modern fake PCGS slabs turned up around March of 2008. I have seen four different varieties including one that does not exist as a real slab. The PCGS fakes are into their second generation of shells now. The first generation shells were easy to spot and readily showed a cler flaw in pictures. That flaw has been corrected. The first generation shell had several flaws that made it easy to recognize in hand. I have not had a chance to examine a second generation PCGS shell in hand yet.
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Pillar of the Community
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dang.. chill went down my back in reading condor101's reply ( still shaking )second paragraph ( science fiction? robot movie you know the one )...dang...
positively will not stop...
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It is a bit like the technological battle between armour and armaments.
They develop a better gun to defeat the latest protective armour, so they develop stronger armour, so you are protected from the latest gun.
Problem is that you can't develop a better coin inside the slab, (we curiously, for some obscure reason, prefer genuine coins), but the quality of the forged coin keeps on improving.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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On a related note, has anybody faked CAC stickers yet?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I saw (what appeared to be) a fake CAC sticker on the bay, it was not very convincing. The seller stated that the sticker must have gotten wet and distorted it. Or more than likely; the fake sticker was put on before the cheap ink had a chance to dry.
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07/08/2011 2:18 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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every one of these slabs are fake along with the coins inside them. There are allot more but this is the picture I could find quickly  |
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Bryan, Congrats! Over 10,000 posts!
Some achievement!
Fair warning about fake slabs.
Other CCF'ers: read this!
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sel_691 was there a link?  Bryan 1315 10 k plus wow ! more pics please....take your time .... they'll be back |
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I would like to know more as well. Both the coin and the slab are not genuine?
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Posted 07/06/2011 11:13 pm
