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Bedrock of the Community
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A collector here, Scooby Due, sent me examples of two apparent types of the 1968 Irish penny. When doing the overlay, it was tough to get everything lined up on each coin, which is either due to design differences on the coins, or distortion introduced by the camera. I'm unsure of which at this point.  However, the date area was simple enough to align to the denticles, and shows an interesting difference between the date on both coins. Watch as the and inner shapes enclosed by curl of the 9 and 6 change between coins.   Edited by DVCollector
07/07/2011 11:27 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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I found this online. Quote:
The 1942 and 1968 pennies are occasionally found with the body of the second chick missing from behind the hen's leg
The error at first glance looks like a filled die problem, however the die is different in other areas, most noticeably in the shape of the portion of the far wing visible behind the raised claw. They call it a "chickless" penny. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Thanks Tunnioc for providing the link. That's an interesting variety too!  However none of these coins are the "chickless" type. So far, It appears there are two different date styles for 1968, where the one with tighter/angular loops is much scarcer. I'll post some more overlays later today.  Edited by DVCollector
07/08/2011 11:28 am
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I was looking for the chickless variety when I noticed the "fat date" coin. It just kind of jumped out at me. All of the other coins I have are of the thinner date type. Can't wait to see the overlay.
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Bedrock of the Community
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When I first saw the fat date, it jumped out at me too. Sometimes it's hard for overlays to convey that, since both coins are blended together, and your eyes have to distinguish the two. I'm sure this coin has more secrets to divulge with analysis. |
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What about the "angle of the cut" I kept referring to? Is that some kind of MD? Or is it actually part of the design?
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Bedrock of the Community
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Yes, I noticed how on the common variety, the digits are raised perpendicular to the fields. On the scarcer coin, there's that obvious bevel. It seems to confirm there are two different styles of dates. The most telling for me are the loops on the 6 and 9--they are different shapes that can't be explained by two dies sunk differently from the same dated hub--imo. I'll do a few more overlays of the date after later on. Edited by DVCollector
07/08/2011 1:56 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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That is excellent comparative photography and a powerful tool in the investigation of suspect coins.
In this case, obviously, BOTH coins are not suspect, just die variation.
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Thanks sel-691. I find the animations sometimes tell me more than just side-by-side comparisons. In the case of the harp design, it's pretty obvious to see design differences between the two coins:  |
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I took a picture of the other side, showing detail of the hen and chicks. I see much less variation on this side; nothing jumps out at me that's different. The date difference between types is pretty interesting!  |
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