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Conservation Possible? (1922-D And 1931-S LWC)

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I recently purchased an old set of LWC folders that look like at least one of them was begun in the 40s. Now, many of the coins have very nice obverses but appear to have some form of corrosion/damage on the reverses. I've always associated this with old cents that were exposed to moisture or possibly the backs of old albums, but I'm not sure.

There are a number of nice early Lincolns, but the majority have that kinda dark, fuzzy film on the reverse. These two are the "gems" of the lot. Anyone have suggestions on how (or even if it's worth trying) to go about conserving these coins? The pics don't show it well, but both obverses still show luster (more on the 22D) but the reverses are just dull. Obviously the nasty verdigris spot on the 31S is the bigger problem there. Is this something verdi-care could help?

Advice please! There are a number of more common coins that exhibit the reverse damage so I have a few to experiment on first.

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I have a bunch of blue folders that I have been assembling since I was a kid. That was all that was available back then. And many of the cents look just like that. So following the advice of members here I pulled them out and dropped them in olive oil. It's amazing how blue/green the oil gets and how clean the coins get. Personally I like the Littleton for folders and Dansco for albums..
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I've always wondered though, how do you get the oil off the coins? It seems itd stay sticky after that, and rubbing the oil off is considered cleaning yes?
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 Posted 07/09/2011  11:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wpd7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Acetone dip afterwards should do it.
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Olive oil contains impurities. Can cause damage. So depending on potential value, other ideas would be verdicare.
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I think I'll avoid olive oil for now - it's technically and acid so I think that's probably not ideal. I may dip a few of the common dates in acetone to see if they improve, but I know acetone won't do anything for the verdigris.
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I think that the 22D ( due to a minimum of damage) can be improved with BadThad's Verdi-care used correctly. However the 31-S will always show damage on the reverse, as I suspect deep pitting lurks under the top problem. Verdi-care will reduce the superficial effects, maybe making it appropriate to keep, but it will be a "details" coin forever.
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I figure the 31S is probably beyond being market acceptable, but if I get it to be presentable, I'd like it in my collection. Thanks for the input, I think I've got some research and experimentation to do.
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I agree with Jim. You definately see some improvment on the 31S with VC. I'd soak it for 24 hours and then work the verdigris with a toothpick while under fluid at the end. However, the verdigris is pretty heavy there and a stain will remain.

Just say NO to olive oil. The acids work to damage the surfaces and it's very inconsistent. People typically choose olive oil because there was no other choice....those days are long gone with VC. It's a MUCH safer and more effective alternative.
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I'll give it a try and post the results!
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As I've warned people in the past about Olive Oils or any man made product. They are different from different manufacturers. So when someone says to use Olive Oils since it worked for them, too remember that they didn't say which one. And too you really don't know if they are just repeating what they read somewhere. Play it safe and don't use products on coins that could damage them. Olive Oils all contain acids.
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Maybe it's just me, but I don't see anything wrong with the 22-D. The 31-S reverse is obvious , but what is the "problem ' with the 22-D reverse?
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I agree and forgot to mention that, the 22D look fine just how it is. I wouldn't touch that coin! Conservation should only be done on obvious problem coins. It should never be performed to "enhance" a coin.
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Now that I look again, the 31S appears to have curpric oxide corrosion (black). That cannot be removed without damaging the surfaces. VC will only help with the verdigris (greenish) component of the corrosion. I run into quite a few cents with cupric oxide and it's extremely TOUGH. It's even resistant to concentrated nitric acid!
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I think I may try VC to see if I can improve the appearance on the 31S. I didn't have high hopes for it anyway, but it's my understanding (please correct me if I'm wrong) that verdi-care will at least arrest corrosion of this coin. If it's to remain an ugly coin, I don't have a big issue with that since it's the reverse, but I'd like to prevent that spot from doubling in size 20 years down the road.

As for the 22D, like a number of coins in this album, it has what appears to be a dusky, brown film on the reverse of the coin. It doesn't image well, but you can tell the reverse seems to have no luster. I wasn't sure if it was corrosion, some deposit from the album it's been in (which as far as far as I can tell was started around 1947), or some other issue. I took one of the commons out and a slight touch of my finger seems to remove it, so I thought maybe I could soak it off with distilled water or acetone. Of course, since I don't know what it is, this is just speculation. I have no intention of rubbing the stuff off the coins nor am I concerned with a difference in toning between the obverses and reverses, I just want to remove a foreign contaminant (if that's what it is) if I can do so without effecting the coin. Someone went through a lot of trouble to assemble this collection decades ago and I'd like to preserve it as much as possible.
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Yes, VC will halt the corrosion, follow the directions.

I would first try distilled water and, if needed, acetone to remove the film. Sounds like you have a good understanding of conservation. You should be fine. GOOD LUCK!
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