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I might give it a VF-XF grade, though it looks like it may have been cleaned. How many breast feathers are left?
It is kind of difficult to tell from the photo, though if the breast has anything left you might get an AU out of it.
It does appear to have a fair amount of wear in the hairlines above the face.
Edited by TruckerMark
07/09/2011 8:24 pm
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First off, welcome to the forum!
Secondly, the coin looks cleaned. I'd give it an AU for its details.
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This coin in areas looks mirror in luster in other areas it has alot of very light abrasions there are hints of feathers on upper part of breast and the strike is quit high and bold, I was think of sending to ANACS for certification but don't want to waste time,money if worse than AU in condition. That's why I posted it.
Thanks to everyone who replies
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Would not be worth the cost of sending it in. Looks to be XF Details/cleaned.
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Edited by vermontensium
07/09/2011 10:29 pm
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There is a bit of remaining luster in the protected areas around the date, stars, and legend which puts it into EF-45 territory. However, the baggy and hairlined fields and the over-bright, dipped look are negatives that will hurt the value. Very likely this coin would get a details grade from NGC or ANACS and a Genuine rating from PCGS. Certification IMO would be a waste of money.
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I want to thank those who replied, I paid 25 dollars for this coin it was so dirty you could not even tell it was silver I mean bad. I did not dip this coin or use any type of chemical whatsoever, Before cleaning it with a (vinyl eraser) a tip I got off the net I took it to a coin dealer he graded it F-12in condition. Since cleaning it has been graded XF-40 XF-45- AU-50 I am keeping the coin and adding it to my collection because it's a nice fairly rare morgan. However advice taken will not submit for certification.
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That was one heck of a good deal. Please, though, forget whatever you read about taking a vinyl eraser to a coin....
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Had this been a scarce date, you would have destroyed its numismatic value with that eraser.
The dealer was simply lying to you about this coin being F-12. Deeply tarnished, it would still be XF-45. After the cleaning damage, it has been reduced in value to the equivalent of a G-6. Glad this was not a key date.
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I welcome all opinions but please back them up with facts. I am new to collecting coins but I an certainly not stupid, I go by the data I am able to find, I purchased this coin from a individual for 25.00 it was black like someone had left in in oil for 50 years, I found out dipping can serious damage to a coin if done incorrectly, however a vinyl eraser causes no damage to silver coins, I'm not the one who put the data out there go find it for yourself Google, yahoo it whatever and send a reply to the website that there data is wrong. As far as this coin goes cleaning it made me and extra 125.00 just today! if in fact however it destroys the coin then experts like yourself need to put the data out there. A soft vinyl eraser is used to remove patina. AND I QUOTE- (Vinyl erasers do not contain abrasive particles, compared to the 'normal' erasers and cause no damage to surface of coin they remove patina and other stains from surface of coin once this is done coin should be air-sealed. (This is found all over the web).
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Well I can only judge the coin pictured and it looks to be unnaturally shiny and harshly cleaned.
The damage may certainly be from an older cleaning but, in any case, this is not a $150 coin.
PS: Never trust advice you find using random web searches. Many are geared toward consumers who want to "shine up" a drawer full of worthless modern coins and there is a huge amount of outright misinformation. As a general rule, NEVER clean a collectible. If you do find a coin that is a key date but is encased in "gunk", you can send it off to Numismatic Conservation Services or - if you absolutely MUST do something yourself - try soaking it some Acetone since it is non-reactive with the coin surface.
Any type of "friction cleaning" regardless of whether the cloth/eraser/thumb/etc... used is marking or non-marking is just horrible. Vinyl Eraser = Terrible Advice.
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07/12/2011 4:43 pm
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one thing your "ONLINE" info forgot to mention was that any abrasive or cleaning cloth ect...will leave evidence of very harsh or very minor, what we call HAIRLINES....they show up under a black light as rubbing lines even under the slightest amount. BUT they do show up... ALL TPG's use a Black light and a quick pass through and the JUMP right out and the coin is body bagged or attributed as cleaned or altered surfaces depending on the grading company...this coin is surely on the shiny side and unnatural.. for the money its a great hole filler but will not command any $150 value. I've seen tooo many cleaned and over dipped in the bargain basement buckets for this reason..nice coins that have been tampered with..for melt values...FOR THE SERIOUS collector will want an un-tampered with coin to ascertain his investment..the casual collector that is not into the ALL PERFECT collection will be glad to fill that hole with a nice coin even if gleaned or "GENUINE" coin a nice coin with problems to keep it out of the high dollars for the given grade...take it as a learning experience we all go through....seek more knowledge as MOST knowledge of cleaning coins always leads to a cleaned coin that is worth about 40% of the grad it is...perhaps someone could state the decreased value percentage of cleaned coins as "THERE IS" a percentage of loss of any coin for its grade when found cleaned.. 40% is of the top of my head... For 25 bucks your not hurt at all, I think melt is still over that, even cleaned its worth more than you paid...AND thanks for you story!!Knowledge is KEY..welcome to the site...Aladin |
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Agree a coin will lose at least 50% of its value when cleaned mildly.
For harsh cleaning, a complete loss of numismatic value is possible since no collector anywhere will want the item. For those coins, they are reduced to bullion metal value.
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Yes there are exceptions for extremely rare coins that are sought after such as the 1893-S Morgan. You could run over one of those with a truck and it would still be extremely collectible.
For a common date, however, a harsh cleaning pretty much obliterates its numismatic value.
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