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I only got one response/opinion from the VW discussion page on this. I'd apprciate some more opinions! VAM 23? and what do you make of the differences of the base of the 1st 1, left side is triangular, right side is squared. VW does not list any 1881 P vams with reverse cracks. I also give it a MS 64, don't think it would reach 65. thanks,        |
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It almost matches the VAM-23, but not quite. The first 1 is different as is the second 8, BUT I don't see another that would be closer. Any chance it's a new VAM? Maybe you've found VAM-23A. What was the response you got on the discussion page? I vote new VAM, but I don't count. I do love the coin and would be glad to offer you the full spot value of the ASW... no? Oh well, I tried.  ANA ID: 3203813 - CONECA ID: N-5637 Clean a coin that may be worth collecting? Please DON'T! When in doubt, leave it dirty!! 
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I only got 1 response, dissappointing as it was. 23. Not good enough for me.
Thats why I came here as more members are supportive with feedback.
I also thought it had PUP for 23, 9 and 12.
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I am not very familiar with 1881-P VAMs but will do some research and see if I can find a match anywhere and post it here for you. The reason I am posting this is to let you know I am aware of the question and will try to find you an answer
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I am not very familiar with 1881-P VAMs but will do some research and see if I can find a match anywhere and post it here for you. The reason I am posting this is to let you know I am aware of the question and will try to find you an answer Likewise. You have to understand, southsav, that the overwhelming majority of VAMs are boring, ill-researched, and entirely undefined. Successfully attributing any but the most striking VAMs is a very much hit-or-miss proposition. I feel your coin fits this definition, more's the pity. |
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It looks like the V-23 as well. This type of over date or re-punched date that you have has a different wear pattern as far as the die go's then a 79/80. As the die de-grades thought striking slight differences seem to crop up. I am sure there are a few doubled VAM's because of this effect. As far as the cracks Leroy tends to require a Break with naked eye visibility, or field displacement. As far as grade? It looks like a 64 but PCGS has been really hard on grading in the last lets say 6 mo. I sent out 65 coins back in Feb. and only received 7 in MS-65 in that submission, and a bunch in MS-64. Most of the 64's I got back seem to be as nice or better then many older slabbed 65's I have. They are a little harder on 1880 and 81 S mint coins as the "norm" for that mint in the years are strong strikes. The 1880's O mint coins they seem to be a little harder on as well. Money coins like the 1880 O's 1886 O's and such. |
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Thanks All! I look forward to whatever Bryan or anyone else can find. I guess for now I'll call it V23 until something else comes up and contiue to  . CCF did not let me down again. |
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Darn it.  I tried to leave it at that, but couldn't. Based on what little information is available, I'd call this VAM-23. The extra information presented here doesn't conflict with the available detail; it adds on to it. Just because the doubling in the second 8 isn't mentioned at VAMworld, doesn't mean it's not there. Strike variations and die wear could be a factor. |
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 Sometimes it is hard to let go. Just wish I had more knowledge on some of these things. With everyone's help I'll just continue to learn and read. Its been said many times here, Knowledge is everything! |
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of the 3 vams listed closest to your coin, 9,12 and 23, 9 does not have the chunk missing from the first 8's upper loop, as do vams 12 and 23, VAM 12 has a different looking first 1, leaving VAM 23 as best guess from the known vams...It could be a new VAM as it doesn't exactly match listed photo's on VM however lighting plays an important part in the examination. a microscope would be of help in searching for other attributable features which could be matched to VAM 23 or be used to confirm a new VAM, such as an additional doubling on letters or stars and such.. if not more than likely it would be tossed into the VAM 23 table... |
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I am sorry it took me so long to get back to this thread but I have to agree with the VAM-23 guess also. I even looked in the VAM book and it was published before the VAM-23 was discovered. I looked on other sites that have updated pages and still did not find the VAM-23 on those either but I all the main attributes seem to match so I think there is a pretty good chance (about 95%) its a VAM-23 |
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Posted 07/09/2011 9:26 pm
