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Trade My 1oz Gold Maple For What?

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 Posted 07/14/2011  12:41 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add gilpo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
In February I cashed in my itty-bitty 401k and bought a 1oz gold maple leaf. It's slightly off condition with a few scratches that I got for $1485. I bought it strictly to temporarily store my money in case of a huge dollar drop or gold run.

Now I'm thinking of selling it to buy some smaller fractional gold. My primary motive for owning gold is for when the SHTF. In that kind of environment, smaller increments of gold would be more liquid than a big 1oz coin.

Provident will give me a little over spot for it. I was thinking of trading it for 2x 1/4 oz and 4x 1/10 oz gold US eagles. Is this smart? Or should I grab some of the $5 gold commems instead to dodge the higher fractional premiums? I currently own a gold liberty and a gold constitution $5 commems also and a couple <.25oz AGW foreign gold coins. I also have around 200 oz of silver so I'm covered there.

Any thoughts or advice in general?

Thanks in advance.
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 Posted 07/14/2011  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd probably just keep it and next investment start buying some smaller fractions. Keep in mind too if there is a SHTF event you could always cut a coin up into pieces with a pair of tin snips or something.
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Blasphemy Thunder, lol....

I know for a fact, if you took a real 1 oz. gold coin and turned it loose on ebay, it would bring at least 1650, as gold is close to 1590 last glance. My point, there is big players out there buying large, maybe not as many as there is small frys like myself, but they are out there....

Now, in a SHTF situation, ebay very well may no longer exist, as the Internet, something we all have to consider. So if that did happen, one better have some good hands on local connections or plans, or one could find themselves trading a half oz. gold coin for 20 bucks worth of food and shelter and be happy to do it....

I am glad I also have many small gold coins, and 1 0z. silver rounds, which would trade much better in the above situation....
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 Posted 07/14/2011  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tripncoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would keep that coin. If you end up selling the coin and started to get fractionals with it, be prepared to pay a much higher premium (and possibly a loss). Good luck!
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 Posted 07/14/2011  6:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add throwbackid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No offense but that sounds like a horrible idea, the premiums will give you.

2 X 1/4oz AGE = $890
4 X 1/10oz AGE= $750

$1640+$20 shipping

If they pay you spot for the Maple leaf you will be effectively giving them $60 in cash and a 1/10oz of gold.

Keep your coin there won't be an apocalypse.
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Yes, I have a thought on this... and it is that 200 oz. of silver is a great start but probably is not enough to see you through an extended SHTF scenario. Think several months before anything approaching normalcy returns. Remember that such scenarios will be times of great social and political upheaval. Anything that is very useful AND in short supply will be VERY expensive, even if you do have gold and silver. The trick there is that if you have PMs, you will likely be allowed to buy what you need with it. Most people will not have any silver or gold, so will be SOL as far as buying food, fuel, ammo, etc.

As to 1-oz. gold coins... yeah, they are really too big to be useful for barter unless you are buying a piece of land or a home. Several of them could be used for that purpose. They would be too big to be useful for buying your everyday needs. The 1/10th and 1/4 oz. coins might be more useful for that.
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If youre gonna do anything, get Classic US gold Quarter and half eagles.
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 Posted 07/15/2011  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gilpo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I understand the premium cost issue. But if you're going to make that argument, why would anyone ever buy fractional coins at all?


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If youre gonna do anything, get Classic US gold Quarter and half eagles.


You want to talk about high premiums, no thanks! Even the 1/10 oz eagles don't have this high of a premium. Unless you know of a source that I don't for getting these closer to spot price. Please share if you do. I would love to own 'old' gold but it's just not economical.

I know 200oz of AG isn't enough but I'm constantly adding to it. It's a lot easier to buy a couple silver dimes or quarters at a time than it is to make any kind of gold purchase. 1 gram gold bars are murder because of the premiums. I wait until I get tax refunds or other large chunks of change to buy gold for this reason.
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 Posted 07/15/2011  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Namachieli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Most circulated quarter eagle and half eagle pieces I see sell for spot + a couple bucks.
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 Posted 07/15/2011  2:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gilpo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Please, do tell where you see these deals. I just looked through ebay (active and completed) and the only ones going for close to spot are the heavily damaged, former jewelery pieces. I would prefer not to buy something that unsightly. I wouldn't mind something in the F-EF-XF range. Are there certain dates that I should look for that would go cheaper than the rest?

And you know the pre-33 gold have a different AGW than their modern counterparts, right? I see you have a high post count, so I'm assuming you knew this. If so, please don't take offense. I only just recently learned this as I had just assumed it was always the same.
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Given your primary motive, it makes no sense to trade 1 oz. of gold for less than an oz. of gold. If the SHTF scenario happens, you will have no problem conducting commerce with a 1 oz. Maple Leaf.

FWIW, I don't expect either me or the kids will ever be paying gold for anything, but I do believe we'll see higher prices than now.
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Lol its cool. Yes I knew that. and good on ya for not assuming I knew just cause I have a high post count.

I find these at brick and mortar shops mostly. Most of the ones in my area sell common raw XF and less Classic gold for just a hair over spot.

Though most of their bullion class gold is this way. I got a 1/4 ounce Gold libertad the other day for Spot + $5.

If you like I can see what they have, and if you are interested I could facilitate the exchange, if you want.

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I know 200oz of AG isn't enough but I'm constantly adding to it. It's a lot easier to buy a couple silver dimes or quarters at a time than it is to make any kind of gold purchase.

Amen to that, Bro! That gold is SPENDY stuff! Adding to my silver hoard as I can seems to be working quite nicely. I've only been at this for about 5 months, yet I am up to 96 oz. so far. Would love to attend a coin show sometime but have not seen any ads for them lately. Maybe that will change in the fall?
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 Posted 07/18/2011  12:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gilpo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Check this page out, Ed: http://www.numismaster.com/ta/insid...Week=1&@mc=1

I've been able to find a lot of listings there that I may have missed in the paper.

ianmprice: I may have to take you up on that offer if you're serious. I just caught wind of a new coin store that just opened so I'm going to check them out first and I'll get back to you. What part of the country are you in? Here we have to pay sales tax on coins so it kind of kills it at 7%.
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Gilpo. With all things considered, if your trying to hold on to as much value as possible, I would just keep the Maple Leaf. You are right, taxes and fees associated with selling bullion are going to hurt you if all your going to do is take that money and buy more bullion. The exception would be if you can find a friend to trade with. When you get enough posts, you could trade on the forums with relatively little cost other than shipping.

If you need the cash, it's a different story....but remember, you can always sell it later if you need some money, or exchange it for part fractionals and part cash.
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Interesting page. Did not see anything even remotely close to my location but will keep an eye on this page to see if anything comes up in the fall. Thanks for the URL.
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