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New Member
United States
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Another coin from ebay. Please, I need your opinion if this coin is too good to be real...or real... Thank you very much    |
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Pillar of the Community
France
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By the price of the coin, you should have guessed that there was an issue.
This coin is fake as well - at least the seller pictured the rim on those two (which they usually don't)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
5362 Posts |
With no room for any doubt  The coin is a good transfer copy but the transition at the edge is completely bungled. I would guess a computer assisted engraving. |
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New Member
 United States
47 Posts |
Thank you for your opinion, will get my money back. ebay is the great source of these fakes. (the price of this fake was $78) |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
5362 Posts |
When you return the coin - see if the seller would be interested in selling it to me as a counterfeit. I likely had a bid on it - probably around $35 tops.
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Pillar of the Community
France
1591 Posts |
I bought a such copy a while ago, before knowing what I was doing ...
I'll gladly mail you mine if you want :)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Sure sounds fine I make the same offer on most new varieties. I try to keep up with what is out there.
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Pillar of the Community
France
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Not sure if that works, but you can PM me your address :) (or mail me from ebay - user mathieuma) |
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New Member
United States
47 Posts |
Transaction is not closed yet, I will make an offer to the seller to sell it to me as a counterfeit for $35 and if it happens I will send it to you.
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Pillar of the Community
France
1591 Posts |
As you wish, but you'd better get a refund - I'll send mine for free :)
They usually accept, as they don't want to have bad ratings appearing on their profile.
One of them even told me to keep the coin (it was a common faked cob)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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bobstam First and foremost - protect yourself from a "non-payer" comment.
MathieuMa Is your coin identical to this one? If they are different varieties I would be interested in both at $35. Copies of Spanish mainland issues are rather new for the Chinese which is why I want to see them. It provides clues to the latest technological innovations.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I have received the 1762 8R from MatthewMa (Thanks!). I tried to write but your preference indicates you do not want to receive email. I would like to discuss the Pistareens.
The coin is as I suspected a transfer impression made by a photographic process. The details are well copied but in a few instances (particularly on the edge at high magnification) there are actually traces of shadows that were etched into the die. These appear as faint outlines parallel to the main die elements similar to die erosion ghost effects BUT dissimilar upon close examination. They tend to rise to very sharp points (ghost erosions are far shallower with low slopes). I also noted the presence of grinding around the entire perimeter on both faces as I suspected from the earlier photos.
It is a modern Chinese copy BUT better than most and improving. These could even fool dealers who are not too familiar with the type. Quite dangerous.
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Pillar of the Community
France
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You welcome :) Oops, I changed that settings about emailing - never saw it was off before (and resent you a mail - you had my direct contact :p). Anyway, one of the reasons why I thought those pistareens were fake were because of their origin (you have the paper in the letter with the ebay name). Other reasons are that the edge seemed to have been smoothed a bit, and seemed to have a mold line. The edges were mostly well made, as you can see the overlap at the exact opposite on two of the coins at least. Those copies are indeed very well done, and as you said ... dangerous. I didn't saw any on sell since over a year now - at least on ebay. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The 1762 Spain 8R fake (or perhaps several varieties thereof) is RAMPANT on ebay... you see them primarily from Spain and the Philippines. I've seen them go for almost what the real thing should fetch... I simply can't comprehend how people that naive even have access to hundreds of dollars to spend on such things... Are they all great-grandchildren of the robber barons or something? |
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Pillar of the Community
France
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realeswatcher : I was starting when I bought that one, I didn't had a catalog yet, and didn't knew how much the real coin would cost.
I was just looking for different designs :) Which would be fine, if no false coins were circulating ...
Anyway, the well made ones are pistareens I sent to Swamperbob, those are not that scarce - but hopefully I bought them lower than their regular price.
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Posted 07/17/2011 8:00 pm
