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 Posted 07/23/2011  01:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I would not concentrate all of my wealth into any single investment at any given time, no matter how strongly I thought that they were "sure things"... Currently, I am about 98% in cash

Got a sprise fer ya, son...
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 Posted 07/23/2011  01:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add desertgem to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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That also brings me to a point mentioned at the start of the link posted above. About how they forecast events months ahead of them happening. Being early can sometimes be very painful. As an example, since putting on my hedges in SDS in late June/early July I'm down about $2800 in it.


Have you thought about buying the SDS sept 20 calls for 66 cents and the sept 19 puts for 60 cents. If the SDS goes upward, you ride the call side, and soon recover the cost of the put, but if you then cash in the call, you still have the put in case it crashes down to below current price, or visa versa.

The thing which could kill you is if the SDS stayed almost exactly where it is until 3rd week in sept and not go either direction, not above 21 or under 18. I think it would be unusual for it to do that, but options are a gamble.IMO.

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07/23/2011 01:39 am
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 Posted 07/23/2011  11:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Got a sprise fer ya, son...


I agree Bigg.

Mystery chart time, if this was a stock's performance over the last 13 months would you put 98% of your holdings into it?

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This is a weekly chart of the US dollar ETF "UUP" over the last 13 months.
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07/23/2011 11:12 am
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 Posted 07/23/2011  11:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Have you thought about buying the SDS sept 20 calls for 66 cents and the sept 19 puts for 60 cents. If the SDS goes upward, you ride the call side, and soon recover the cost of the put, but if you then cash in the call, you still have the put in case it crashes down to below current price, or visa versa.


Good idea, I do like options...I just wish they didn't expire. I did make a mistake getting into that position at that time, but the trade is not over yet. SDS may be seeing a big rebound early next week if the US gets a credit down grade. I'm down but not out...yet.
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 Posted 07/23/2011  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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This is a weekly chart of the US dollar ETF "UUP" over the last 13 months.

I'm glad you see my point. Holding 98% of your investments in USD (cash) is an investment decision, like any other. We don't think of it that way because the price of $1=always $1.

Last week $1 = 1 burrito, today, $1 = 0.559 burrito.

USD held just lost 44.1% of their value vs the burrito.
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USD held just lost 44.1% of their value vs the burrito.

So, you think I should buy 600,000 burritos?

BTW... cash is NOT an investment. It IS a temporary holding pen for my financial resources. Note the word "temporary".
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 Posted 07/23/2011  7:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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cash is NOT an investment. It IS a temporary holding pen for my financial resources. Note the word "temporary".

There's nothing wrong with a holding pen, if you can keep the pigs from eating what you're holding. HINT: You can't.

If you save a bushel of corn, it will plant the same amount of acreage next spring. Not true if the mice eat a little of it each night.

Put five gallons of water in a lidless bucket and place it in the sun. Each day you have less watering power. If you don't put cash somewhere it will give a return higher than the CPI, you're doing the same thing.
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 Posted 07/24/2011  11:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It will be interesting to see how fast the pigs can eat if the US defaults. I don't know if they will stop eating, pig-out, or puke.
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07/24/2011 12:38 pm
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It will be interesting to see how fast the pigs can eat if the US defaults. I don't know if they will stop eating, pig-out, or puke.

Or get made into ham, ribs, and bacon. This is what markets tend to do to the unwary and the US government is NOT immune to it any more than individuals are.
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 Posted 07/25/2011  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Either way there will be some poop.
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 Posted 07/25/2011  8:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Right, Thunder... which is not a problem IF you have a garden!
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Last time interest rates were this low the fed started raising interest rates by 1/4% every fed meeting. The stock market went down every time interest was raised. The only claim Bernanke can make about any success throughout this debacle is the stock market. If the market starts to drop again erasing any retirement money that shareholders have regained will go right down the toilet and his last card will have been played. Aside from the stock market, every measurable gauge of recovery in this economy is negative to terrible. It's a good thing that gold is not considered a threat to the fed. Those of us putting false hopes in the "tradition" of gold as a hedge may sneak by unnoticed and succeed where all other strategies wallow in the mire. I'll take my chances with deflation for awhile anyhow. It won't appear overnight and precious metals will remain easy to liquidate until very near the weary end.
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07/25/2011 8:31 pm
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It is interesting to look at the USD and the EURO right after Obama's speech, The USD has dropped severely and the Euro has risen strongly. Silver and Gold just setting there, so currently it appears the world markets are playing out the 2 crises with a battle of currency, and not giving PM, much consideration over the last 2 hrs after the speech. IMO.
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It won't appear overnight and precious metals will remain easy to liquidate until very near the weary end.

Could PM crash and burn with everything else in deflationary times? Yup. Even if they do, however, remember that they are a store of value, not necessarily a profit maker. If a silver quarter continues to buy at least a gallon of gas, it's done its job.
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Ok, more mystery charts. One I own, the other I wish I owned it. Both are ETFs, one is based on a currency, the other on a commodity.

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The first one is a weekly chart going back about one year of gold (GLD), the 2nd is a weekly chart going back about one year of the Swiss Franc (FXF).
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