How Counterfeit/Fake Is My Counterfeit/Fake Chinese Coin?

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augsburger Pillar of the Community Germany 1063 Posts	Posted 07/25/2011 02:42 am I've been a little scared of buying coins in China, but while in Nanjing, with the heat bearing down and the sweat dripping, I bought two coins. The more expensive (20RMB, $3 or £2) I bought thinking it was probably fake, but I just want to learn something about these coins. it is Hu Poo which I think is the empire or government rather than a region. I have looked in Krause but as I only have the CD version available at the moment, I cannot see the pictures properly, but cannot find this coin. The only thing I have found so far was at spink and the lettering is closer in these pictures than on my coin! http://www.spink.com/auctions/pdf/8012pages.pdf And it ssems to be a dollar, but my coin is perhaps smaller being 2.4 cm across. I cannot weigh it though. What do people think? Report this Post to the Staff

manymore Valued Member United States 347 Posts	Posted 07/25/2011 05:03 am Quote: it is Hu Poo which I think is the empire or government rather than a region. "Hu Poo" refers to the "Bureau of Revenue". Quote: And it ssems to be a dollar, but my coin is perhaps smaller being 2.4 cm across. I cannot weigh it though. Your coin is not a "dollar" (one tael) but rather "one mace" like this one: http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotvi...8883e373956f Quote: The more expensive (20RMB, $3 or £2) I bought thinking it was probably fake For $3 you got a real bargain. The one at the auction quoted above sold for $13,000. Gary Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16817 Posts	Posted 07/25/2011 05:09 am I would have to classify it as "very fake". The "hu poo" mint-name never appeared on a circulating silver coin, only on coppers. The denomination mark, at the bottom of your bottom pic, reads "1 mace". The mace was a unit of weight, 1/10th of a tael; the dollar-sized piece from Spink (which is absolutely 100% fake) is a 1 tael, so your coin should be 1/10th the weight of a genuine tael: about 4 grams. These "tael" and "mace" denominated coins are listed in Krause in the Patterns section, under "Peking Tael Series". The 1 mace (called "1 ch'ien" in Krause) is valued at $500 in my 2006 edition. It's my understanding that few if any of these patterns ever actually made it to China: they were made in European mints (such as Birmingham) who were lobbying the Chinese government for new coinage contracts, but the Chinese government elected to make dollar-based coins instead. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
augsburger Pillar of the Community Germany 1063 Posts	Posted 07/25/2011 08:27 am They were selling lots of these coins in the Nanjing antiques market all for about $3. It is so hard to buy coins in China, in other countries I get a collection easily, here I may never get one! Report this Post to the Staff
macmercury Pillar of the Community United States 5825 Posts	Posted 07/25/2011 08:33 am Looking at those pictures from what you have, the design elements are all off. I also have a fake few dollars coins I bought at the flea market, and they were really good reproduction except for its weight. Sap, You always amazes me with your in depth knowledge, if you ever get the chances of coming to the USA to do coin shopping, I would gladly tag along with you. That is if you wont mind. Edited by macmercury 07/25/2011 08:35 am Report this Post to the Staff
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