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Don't Mix Politics And Coins

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 Posted 11/21/2006  7:06 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7005583304

Noe got 18 years.

Not to forget: in the old USSR, he would have been shot. In China today, he would have been shot.

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 Posted 11/21/2006  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ziggy29 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wish our 'leadership' would remember that when threatening to block a redesign of our coinage.
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 Posted 11/21/2006  8:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add errorfinder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
in my humble opinion , thanks [fred] for posting this , i'am aware of past 'news' regarding this information. it is evidently not enough that reporting is not enough for "us" to take notice.so in respect to thee rereporting and the update me,myself do :appreciate your 'update' Thank you !! "just say yes; to redesign" ref: at -least- some of the State Quarters.
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 Posted 11/21/2006  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add janknez to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think I understand what a guy convicted of spending money he was supposed to use to buy coins for Ohio has to do with the redesign of coins.

Did I miss a sentence?

Or if this is a private conversion, just say so and I will butt out.
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 Posted 11/21/2006  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One thing which never came out during the investigations is the possible connection between Noe's coin company, Capital Coins and the now-defunct Capital Coin Grading Service (CCGS; not to be confused with at least one other CCGS which isn't involved). The way I see it is that Noe could have artifically inflated the value of the coins he purchased as investments for the state's retirement fund by inflating the coins' grades and putting them in his own slabs. He could easily make it appear a coin he bought for, say $4500 as an AU-58 was worth $45,000 by CCGS slabbing and grading as MS-65 (example used: 1894 Morgan). Proceeding to the next logical step in this scenario, he could have then shown a paper profit and value above the total actually invested by using the bloated CCGS slabs' value in his books and skimmed leftover investment money not actually spent on coins. Judgement day comes when someone attempts to sell the coins in a legitimate auction. I suspect Noe has his own retirement fund waiting for his eventual release.

The nuances of coin grading practices might have been beyond the investigators.

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Sure is disgusting. Dealers like him would probably artifically inflate values, and imagine how bad it is for us coin collectors as we have to pay more money for a similar graded coin.
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 Posted 11/22/2006  2:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldDan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by gxseries

Sure is disgusting, and imagine how bad it is for us coin collectors as we have to pay more money for a similar graded coin.


I don't think you can actually say this unless they are holding a gun to your head while making the sale. As I've always said, there are only two things you have to do and that is 1) die and 2) pay your taxs. Everything else you have a choice.
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