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 Posted 11/22/2006  01:01 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Five4fighting to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Is it just me or do y'all think Canada can do better with the head of the coin? The tail of their coins is outstanding, I love them, however the same design on all there coins faces? Why not have different designs? I know there are plenty of Canadian symbols they can chose from. just my Two Cents. :)
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 Posted 11/22/2006  08:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add crystalk64 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have asked a great number of collectors, all over the world, WHY do you continue to honor the Queen of England on your coin and currency? Most of them are not real happy about it but it has always been the status quo and will probably never change without a near revolution! Of course we could get asked the same question concerning dead Presidents but at least they are OUR Presidents. There is a growing number of Canadians who would like to split the country down the middle with many western Canadians voicing an opinion to join the U.S. to get away from the east coast politics and French of Canada? Actually I find it rather odd that the Queen of England graces their coinage and the second (or first to many) language is French? Give that one some thought?
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 Posted 11/22/2006  11:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AuldFartte to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Crystalk64, those are some great thoughts about the subject
I completely agree, as I've wondered the same things. It just doesn't make much sense to have Her Majesty on their coinage anymore.
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 Posted 11/22/2006  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Abyss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am in total agreement with Five4fighting here ( I think I've had one old thread on this one myself).There are many Canadian symbols ( for starters I like Canada's coat of arms)that could be used succesfully.I think that the Queen should be honoured somehow,but not on our coins.At least we can try to do what USA does:put some Canadian personalities there.my Two Cents
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 Posted 11/23/2006  02:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Five4fighting to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm glad I'm not the only one with this feeling, I hope a lot of Canadians feel this way also and pressure their reps to do something about it. Maybe have a Premier series like the US is going to do with the Presidents? Or have a symbol of the Canadian Mounties as a Obverse (instead of reverse like it has been done in the past) there are so many Obverse designs Canada can do. Maybe have the Queen on say the Dollar or Two Dollar coin but the rest different.
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 Posted 11/23/2006  03:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ahh they will just keep making her younger or older on their coins, but I doubt they will ever do away with her being on the Obverse. I have no idea why they do it still but there has to be some reason that we arent aware of, maybe when the old bat dies they will change, then maybe they will change to big nose,big eared Charles on there who knows
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 Posted 11/23/2006  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
While the Queen does represent the Monarchy of England she is a major, historical and Sovereign representative for all of the U.K. She is honored and respected (with many) in England and so be it correct to continue with her image on their coinage (IMO). I would imagine that after her passing they will continue with her image as they did with Victoria, George and so forth....however as for the rest of the U.K Countries I agree that there are other historical and present features that they could represent as well. As a "Canadian" and "Foreign" collector I too find it somewhat tiresome to always know and expect "Her Majesty's" image. I would like to see alternatives.
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 Posted 11/24/2006  05:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To nitpick dsking's terminology: "the U.K." = "Britain" = England + Scotland + Wales + Northern Ireland. Canada, Australia and most of the other places that issue coinage featuring the Queen aren't part of the "U.K.". Most of us are part of the Commonwealth, which is what the British Empire has devolved into, and all Commonwealth members recognize the Queen as the head of the Commonwealth.

As for Canada, I suspect crystalk is mostly correct. As I see it, the monarchy is just about the only practical difference, politically, betweeen Canada and its southern neighbour. Putting pictures of the Queen on the coinage is a reminder of that difference, to the populations of both countries.

Here in Oz, the situation is slightly different, in that we don't have any large ex-British secessionist states for neighbours which we need to distinguish ourselves from (there's only New Zealand, who are even more rabidly pro-monarchy than the Brits themselves). But we do have a vocal pro-monarchist faction, which always make objection to any removal of the last symbolic vestiges of British colonialism. They see removing the monarch from the coinage, or removing the Union Jack from the corner of the flag, as republicanism by stealth.

Personally, I like the monarch on the coins - especially the Canadian ones. I like old Kruger Grey's designs, which I feel manage to portray all the important design elements a coin needs - country, date, denomination, a pictorial element of local significance - all on one side, wihout seemong too crowded. I know I can safely ignore the obverse because it contains no important information whatsoever.
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 Posted 11/24/2006  08:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sap: I am appreciative of your "nitpicking" my post as you are correct in the use of the terminology of U.K. vs Commonwealth. I certainly should have known better and used the proper terms. Thank you. I too agree with your comments as well and they are eloquently expressed.
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 Posted 11/24/2006  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheForce to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like the canadian coins the way they are. Maybe I am the only one who thinks the Queen should be on there.
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 Posted 11/24/2006  7:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add crystalk64 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There will NEVER be a Queen of Canada for me! A great number of Canadians are more than ready for their own identity. Yesterday is long gone and to many, its time to move forward!
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 Posted 11/29/2006  05:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brissyboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Many Commonwealth countries not only have Queen Elizabeth the Second as Head of the Commonwealth but she is also Queen of ......... and this is written into their Constitution. Not only does a country say like Australia have the Queen as Queen of Australia or King as the case may be, but many of the former colonies that came together to for the Federation of the Commonwealth of Australia have in their own state constitutions that she is Queen of Queensland, Queen of Victoria, etc.

This may also be the case with many of the Provinces (former colonies and territories) that formed the Confederation of Canada.

If the United Kingdom ever became a Republic before Australia or Canada or New Zealand, etc did, the King or Queen at the time would still be King or Queen of Australia, etc.

Canada has twice used their own designed images of Queen Elizabeth II on their coins eg 1990 to 2002 and 2003 to current. These images are not used anywhere else in the Commonwealth and are said to portray the Queen with a more French appearance. French you say, well she is a descendant of William the Conqueror, a French King who became King of France and England at the time. The United Kingdom still retains some of the land he brought with him to the Throne of England - the Channel Islands.

Like in Australia there will be no real move for change again until the Queen passes on. She celebrated her 80th birthday in 2006. It will be after her death, the obverse will change. Mints will have to issue currency with the image of the new Monarch as they have done each time in the past. Of course old coins will still circulate for many years but they will gradually be withdrawn as they wear out. Of course if a country become a republic then they will have a different obverse. Republics can still remain within the Commonwealth of Nations - look at Kenya, India, Malaysia, etc.

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 Posted 12/06/2006  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kashmir to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm from england and I wish they would change our coinage let alone canada's
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I liked the old Queens and Kings portraits on the coins, Like Victorias and of Course gourgous george with the crown and Robe on , such fine Engraving They were so majestic (No pun inteneded) I did like some of QEII on coins . But for how many more years do we need to see her no offense to the queen. But I also share the same sediments as most of you
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Sorry to drag this one back after 4 months but hey...I'm new here, and Canadian. By the looks of it I am also the only Canadian to wade in on the subject. The queen for better or worse is indeed the Queen of Canada and as such deserves her place on the coinage. As far as it being time to get our own identity, I think we have that in spades. As for the French, they were the first (excluding the Vikings) to colonize Canada. My vote would be to have the reigning monarch on the obverse of Canadian coins. It is like history unfolding. Like the other long reigning queen, you can appreciate the passing of time by by the portraits used and can watch the queen get naturally older with the passing of time.
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I guess its a little hard to get away from tradition. Just look at US coinage, we have been using the same dead presidents for decades. In fact Lincoln had graced the cent for almost 100 years and that portrait has not changed at all.
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