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Stumped!! I need help 1864 2 Cent variety. I'm not afraid to ask for help when I need it.. I picked up a couple of cleaned problem coins at the Bellaire TX coin show today. One was a an ordinary 1864 LM 2 Cent in a SEGS holder correctly marked as cleaned. the other got my attention. Its also an 1864 corroded and cleaned. It however appears to be a triple punched date variety but it does not match any of the diagnostics I have in either Breen or Flynn. Rev It has some strong reverse clashing on the left and hub doubling on the ribbon. Incomplete D. There are no significant die crack/chip markers from any of the known varieties. OBV TPD can be most clearly seen on the 1 with the serifs. Its close to a number of varieties but does not have the other diagnostics.. Can anyone here attribute it for me or do I have something as yet unrecorded? Big pics here. http://www.mycoins.us/forum/Sales/A...IMG_0698.jpghttp://www.mycoins.us/forum/Sales/A...IMG_0699.jpg |
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I checked my CherryPickers Guide and there are two repunched dates listed,FS#2c-001.5/Leone 641lg-100E and FS#2c-001.7/Breen 2376;Leon64lg-24H both have tripling and the first one kinda looks like yours.Don't know if this is useful to you or not. John1  |
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Yep its close but the Breen 2376 has a complete serif on the D
I'm also missing the major dies crack on the OBV from the right ribbon to the rim..
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08/06/2011 2:42 pm
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could possibly be from wear, or an early stage in the die... Just a thought, but definately some beautiful doubling...  |
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could possibly be from wear, or an early stage in the die Nope not possible it would have to be different die set the D serif tells m that the working REV dies in this case are not the same as the ones used in the 2376 (Cherry pickers) there were three die typed used in the 2 cent series Full serif, partial serif and no serif. This coin was struck with a partial serif die and the example in the cherry pikers guide was struck using the complete serif working die. there are a couple of TPD's in Flynns book that come close in particular the KF-L4-QPD which is also referenced to the BR 2376 and Leon64lg-24H but again it uses a different REV die. BR2375 has the correct REV die but is only a re punched date mine appears to be at least a Triple punched based on the serifs on the 1. The only TPD that comes close seems to be FL64LG-8olr but the die clashing should be a lot stronger under Cents and the 6 does not show the re-punched 6 in the proper way. this only leaves the KF-LPR2-TPD which is a proof re-strike using the dies from 1870 OBV but the coin does not exhibit the Barber modified die characteristics.. |
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I have to be honest here, you are the one I look to when someone has a 2¢ question so if you don't know I surely will be of no help to you at all
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I have to be honest here, you are the one I look to when someone has a 2¢ question so if you don't know I surely will be of no help to you at all Thanks for the vote of confidence Bryan1315 but just having one or two of them does not make me an expert by any means.... |
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Nice coin! Are you sure the reverse is hub doubling and not just Strike Doubling? I know the letters were often recut on some of the dies as they began to wear out. the ribbon seems doubled though. What we need is a VAM type project for the 2¢ series. Frank Leone and Kevin Flynn have both done admirable jobs disementating information regarding my favorite series to the public. If I ever get the time, I'd love to start a web site for them, but time is not good right now for this project and me. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Actually the "recutting" typically seen is Longacre doubling present when the dies are new which FADES AWAY as the die wears. Recutting was not done on hardened dies. One thing you have to remember when you start looking at varieties on coins like this is that there were probably between 60 and 130 or so pairs of dies used to strike the 1865 Two Cent Pieces. |
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could it be double 18 LM?
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Definitely a nice RPD, I just don't have a reference for these coins. I think I see a repunched 6 too. |
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YUP its definitely the Double 18, with a possible doubling in the 6 also. this variety is in the "major variety and oddity guide of US coins" by Frank G. Spadone, its an older book and not as much info as the other books. |
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