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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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As most of us probably do, I find non-Australian money in my change from time to time. It's usually from New Zealand, though I've got a few Fijian coins and one from the Solomon Islands. It got me wondering, what are all of the other countries whose money looks and feels like our own? As I understand New Zealand has recently changed their coins but I'm not sure if Fiji or the Solomon Islands have.
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Moderator
 Australia
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It does depend to some degree on how you define "looks and feels". Do they have to have the Queen on the obverse to qualify, does the composition have to be the same (ie to pass in a vending machine), or is matching size and weight the only requirement?
Australian coin dimensions were to a large extent copied from the old British predecimal coinage, and most of the places that once used those same British coins also imitated the same sizes and weights for their own native coinages, at first. Other coinages either accidentally or deliberately imitated the same sizes. The 5 cent (sixpence), 10 cent (shilling) and 20 cent (florin) are most likely to be copied.
I once made a display up of "Our Pacific Neighbours", containing 13 coins similar enough in size and weight to our 10 cent piece to be found in change here, all of which were "10 somethings" in denomination. The coins were from: New Zealand, Fiji, Papua New Guinea, Solomon Islands, Cook Islands, Tuvalu, Kiribati, Vanuatu, New Hebrides, New Caledonia, French Polynesia, Tonga and Samoa.
Now, for most of these coinages, there is no longer an exact match with our 10 cent; either the size is reduced, the composition is different, or both. But theoretically you might still find them in change. The Fijian coins, for example, are still the same size, but made of plated steel. Samoa has only just this year issued redesigned smaller coinage along the lines of New Zealand.
There are other coins from elsewhere in the world that match. Obsolete predecimal coins from Britain, South Africa and Southern Rhodesia come to mind, as well as decimal 5p and 10p coins from Britain and other British territories, such as the Falkland Islands, though again, the British/colonial coinage was redesigned in the 1990s with new sizes and compositions. There are also matches through sheer coincidence. The United Arab Emirates dirham was a perfect match for the size of a 10 cent, until Australian 10 cent coins flooding the vending machines over there caused a redesign of the dirham.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Are there coinages of other countries that are of the exact same planchet sprecifications as U.S. coinage?
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Pillar of the Community
 Australia
2180 Posts |
I guess I meant the same shape and with the Queen's portrait (basically enough to pass as Australian if you don't look too closely). Does your list of 13 Pacific neighbours cover that?
Edited by Mr T 08/25/2011 06:15 am
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Valued Member
Australia
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Australian coins are long overdue for a redesign. The CuproNickel decimals have sizes and corresponding nominal values that belong to half a century ago, when a big 20 cent piece, its size based on the florin as Sap writes, is from a time when 20 cents was able to buy you something.
Like a piece of grilled fish. I kid you not. But obviously I was - a kid, at the time to know that. Now I don't think you could buy anything with a 20 cent..
Once when coming back from Europe and recovering my 'stash' of Australian change, weighing them in my hand and then looking at them I said to the Skybus driver, "Australian coins are so heavy, ... and so worthless." There was about $3 there and I needed $14.50 or something. In Europe I was used to large coins of the 20c size being €2.
When it comes to great correspondence between usable size, to nominal value and practical to carry it is hard to go past the EU coinage. The phrase 'good European design' can also be applied to their modern coins as well.
On the subject 'coins that resemble (A)ustralian coins' how many are there that get smaller as their value increases? I'm referring to the Australian $1 and $2. If a new $5 coin came out tomorrow, would it be called the 'new fanam'?
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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not a fanam, It would be called a Jonney farnaham 
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
7096 Posts |
Of course the coins are the same size as their pre decimal heritage.  Would have caused too much confusion when we went to decimal otherwise. 
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Pillar of the Community
 Australia
2180 Posts |
Quote: Now I don't think you could buy anything with a 20 cent I remember maybe 12 years ago you could get a gumball. Probably that long ago a McDonalds cone still cost 30c too.
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Valued Member
Australia
193 Posts |
trout, you're a joker!  Mr T, In theory, I think 20 cents can buy you 14 cents worth of a copper ingot. Just another one third to go and they become good money.
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Moderator
 Australia
16817 Posts |
Quote: I guess I meant the same shape and with the Queen's portrait (basically enough to pass as Australian if you don't look too closely). Does your list of 13 Pacific neighbours cover that? The list of coins covered by these criteria would be slightly different, then. The only ones remaining would be New Zealand, Fiji, Solomon Islands, Cook Islands and Tuvalu. New additions would be some of the now-obsolete "British and colonial" coins I mentioned earlier, specifically the 5p and 10p coins. I think we'd add Britain itself, as well as the following territories: Isle of Man, Jersey, Gibraltar, St Helena & Ascension and Falkland Islands. And just for completeness, there's the old colonial-transition coinage from Rhodesia. If you also include the old Gillick portrait of the Queen (as seen on Australian predecimal coins), then a few more obsolete predecimal coinages such as South Africa and Nigeria could be added, but since that portrait would also stand out like a sore thumb if given in change in Australia today, I won't include them. Some coins of Guernsey have the Queen's portrait but the layout of the obverse is sufficiently different to be noticeable at first glance. Likewise the interim coinage for Gambia, the only circulating coins to bear the Queen's portrait but not her name, is quite distinctive. There are also coins from other dominions and territories, like the Canadian 25 cents, that are similar to, but not quite the same as, an Australian coin in size and could be substituted by the inattentive. I should point out that all of the coins mentioned here have been replaced by coins that are smaller, with the exception of the Solomon Islands and Tuvalu. Tuvalu hasn't issued coins this millenium, so we don't know what their next circulation coins would be like. So in that sense, the Solomons are the "only" country where you can go to today and still find coinage more or less identical to Australia's. Both of these countries still technically circulate their 1c and 2c coins, too.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Quote: Are there coinages of other countries that are of the exact same planchet sprecifications as U.S. coinage?
Yep. Panama, I think Hawaii, krands, Phillipines, etc. We did minting for various countries over the years.
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Rest in Peace
United States
9104 Posts |
Back to the OP, just about everything from countries connected to England was somewhat similar.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21786 Posts |
I have an almost complete type set of silver (no copper nickel) coins based on the exact planchet specifications of the British Florin, for all countries of the British Commonwealth.
Actually, the planchet specification for the Florin itself has varied slightly, in which case the coin must carry the 'Florin', or 'Two Shillings' value to qualify for this set.
I think that there are 44 coins in the set, according to how I have defined what qualifies for my type set. I have 42. Condition ranges from VF to uncirculated.
The explanation for the existence of this set goes back to when I was a small boy, and I was fascinated by the Australian Jubilee Florin of 1951, and the Royal Visit Florin of 1954. Then, I had never seen a Parliament House Florin of 1927, and I had never even knew ot the existence of the Melbourne Centenary Florin of 1934/35.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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I have florins from Australia,New Zealand,South africa and Of course the UK. They are all the same size. they are either Stirling silver or 50% silver, Depends on when they were debased. The sixpence,threepence and the shilling are the same way. I wonder if all these countries got their planchets from the same place  . Anyway they are all great looking and feeling coins.
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Pillar of the Community
 Australia
2180 Posts |
Thanks Sap. With regards to the coins of New Zealand, Fiji, Solomon Islands, Cook Islands and Tuvala, do you know if any of them were made at the Royal Australian Mint?
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New Member
United States
39 Posts |
I read somewhere a while ago that "Australia has some of the largest coins in the world" in relation to their size, weight, and thickness by comparison to the standard coinage of many other countries. Particularly now that virtually all of the African, Asian, and now most of the Pacific colonies have abandoned the ancient silver weight sizes for smaller, cheaper, "ergonomic" coins. Australia is almost the only country left I can think of off the bat that still uses the florin, shilling, etc. sizes. It can be hard to let go of something so many people grew up around and became accustomed to. My country keeps attempting to do away with the penny as well as occasional talk of doing away with the nickel or downsizing it but so far there's been little movement.
It's important to note that many coins of other countries that have similar size and weight to Australian coins are often minted in Australia.
Once upon a time, a few cents were worth a little something. The Aussie is currently one of the more higher valued currencies these days, especially compared to the rates of the eighties. But then...part of its high exchange may only be because the US dollar has lost a tremendous amount of value in the last ten years relative to other currencies. I still wonder if an eventual change in the change is imminent.
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