1865 2 Cent With 2 Die Breaks! - Coin Community Forum

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DaWolfster Valued Member United States 139 Posts	Posted 08/26/2011 2:00 pm Hey all.. cataloging my coins I happened to notice this which I thought was pretty neat... To me this is a die break and not a crack, just want to be sure of course, lol... The minor break goes from the "D" of UNITED to the bottom of the "T" in STATES. The Major break goes from the top of the "T" in STATES through OF AMERICA and toward the rim and center of coin... Report this Post to the Staff

nohope587 Pillar of the Community United States 5953 Posts	Posted 08/26/2011 2:30 pm I agree it neat but Die breaks and cracks are very common on this series. The dies were used until they fell apart. Report this Post to the Staff
DaWolfster Valued Member United States 139 Posts	Posted 08/26/2011 2:54 pm That's interesting, TY... I never researched it! I deal with mostly the modern variety types so this one caught me by surprise... Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 08/27/2011 10:07 am I don't see a die break on the OP coin just some heavy cracks. On the other hand did you notice the hub break on the D in UNITED? It's a very common hub break on this series but still interesting. Edited by Conder101 08/27/2011 10:09 am Report this Post to the Staff
DaWolfster Valued Member United States 139 Posts	Posted 08/27/2011 2:34 pm Yes I did notice thanks! But now I am confused since you mentioned crack... When I find stuff like this I try to compare what I have to known eroors obviously. If my thinking is right, a die crack would still maintain the coin details itself but the cracks would appear on the coin as they are on the die. A die break however would alter the coin some especially if the break is very loose... if you notice on this pic, where the break goes to the rim, there is a wider than normal gap between the denticles.... let me know if my thinking is wrong... lol... Edited by DaWolfster 08/27/2011 3:47 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 08/29/2011 11:25 am A die crack is exactly that, a crack in the die. On a die break a piece of the die has completely broken off. If that piece has broken off at the edge of the die and fallen away it creates a raised featureless lump called a Cud. If it has broken off but hasn't fallen away, say just slipped down and is being held in place by the collar, it will form a raised area that still shows some of the details. This is a Retained Cud. If a chunk breaks off and falls away but it doesn't involve the edge then it is just a die break or an internal die break. Very small internal die breaks are called die chips. What the dividing line is between a die chip and an internal die break is just a matter of personal judgement. Report this Post to the Staff
DaWolfster Valued Member United States 139 Posts	Posted 09/07/2011 2:11 pm Alrighty... Since Irene displaced e for awhile, lol... So what I have here is a coin with a large die crack and a small die crack with a hub break on the D... does that sum it up? Report this Post to the Staff
nohope587 Pillar of the Community United States 5953 Posts	Posted 09/07/2011 2:33 pm Quote: So what I have here is a coin with a large die crack and a small die crack the hub break was from one of my pics.. Your D is missing the serif which places the die pairs used. There are three serif stages associated with the 2 Cent series Full serif partial serif and no serif Report this Post to the Staff
DaWolfster Valued Member United States 139 Posts	Posted 09/07/2011 2:39 pm gotcha... I am learning... Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 09/08/2011 12:34 pm But the missing serif is caused by a hub break. There are actually two cracks there after the final A in AMERICA. The crack through the A seems to extend to the stem of the wreath and the other crack runs from the rim crosses the other crack and on through the leaves of the wreath. Report this Post to the Staff
twohawks Pillar of the Community United States 1551 Posts	Posted 09/11/2011 10:38 am My understanding of " Retained Cud" is where the die break or breaks run from edge to edge for the most part 1st and shows sighs of a "displaced fields" Report this Post to the Staff
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