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S&P rating CEO fired

Lapdog from Citigroup hired.

Rating goes to aaaa.
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 Posted 08/26/2011  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add junior e to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I saw that he was fired. You just shouldn't lie about the finest faith and credit in the world.
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 Posted 08/26/2011  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bizybackson to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That was a train wreck waiting to happen, messing with the Fed will net you some nasty surprises.
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 Posted 08/26/2011  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tim Stroud to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Won't be long and he will be hanging out with Jimmy Hoffa and the boyz.
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 Posted 08/27/2011  09:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add StJoeBlues to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
S&P - "His firing had nothing to do with the downgrade of the US."

US government - "We had nothing to do with the firing."

Riiiiiigggghhhhtttttttt.

Other ratings agencies - "Yes, sir, the United States of America is an AAAAAAAA+ in our book . What was that? That rating doesn't exist? Well it does now."
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To me this is one of the biggest scandals I have seen yet in all this mess. Read the numbers, print the truth, swimmin with Hoffa an the fishes....

When will it end? In theory, perhaps never as many of these crooked politicians will have children who follow in their footsteps into politics, with the same deranged views, lol. This really boggles my mind, but should anyone really be surprised, just as obvious as the nose in the middle of your face, lol....
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One of the issues with the housing bubble was the false ratings from the rating bureaus.

Now the rating bureaus are being "forced" to submit false ratings for the debt bubble.

New bubble, fake ratings, eventual bubble explosion.

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I thot bubbles imploded?
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I thot bubbles imploded?


Every time my bubble gum bubbles got too big, they exploded, and left bubble gum all over my face.
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Bubbles can explode also, if you continue to fill them. Try it next time you're chewing bubble gum.
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Timing is everything, and not necessarily the right timing!
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Is this not yet another aspect of the funny munny / cooked books produced by a corrupt government and Fed? Sure looks that way to me. The people who have long believed that it is better to LOOK good than it is to BE good are in charge and have been since 2009. The economy has been created in their image... and it IS an ugly little spud too! Right now, we have a fake economy that has been created by artificial stimulus, juggling the books, and a rapidly declining currency. In this environment, there is no real economy, only this fake mess that looks good... on the surface, anyway.

Real inflation is running 10-11% right now... Fed says it is 2.5-3%. Real unemployment is running at 18% right now... Fed and Gov. say it is 9.2% or so. Real US debt rating should be about B to BB. Is there a repeating theme here? S&P had the temerity to say that it is less than perfect... AA+ instead of AAA... then the chief of S&P gets the ax as a reminder to Moody's and Fitch of just who is in charge of this circus.

Fed is keeping the short term interest rates at 0.25% when it should be in the 4-5% range. Saving is not being rewarded as it should be. Work, saving, and investing are what powers a REAL economy. Unfortunately, people are not being rewarded for this productive behavior. No, they are being rewarded for borrowing, spending, and consuming all that they can... none of which produces much of anything.

The odd part of all this is that the bond market, which controls the long term interest rates, is going along with this program. Bernanke is leading them around by the nose... and they ARE following! I can't think of any other time in US financial history when this has happened. One can only wonder what manner of arm twisting has been done behind closed doors to arrange this unique docility.

All of which adds up to a national downward spiral that will be difficult to reverse. It is clear that the empty suits and dresses in DC are not up to the task at hand. Every one of them who voted to raise the debt ceiling should be tossed from the ramparts of power, kicking and squealing all the way to the ground... SPLAT! Repeat as necessary until we have a government that is worthy of this GREAT Nation. 2010 was only the beginning. 2012 will make 2010's results look like... well, a tea party.

In the mean time, those of us who are not fooled by all this cooking of the books, slight of hand economics, and outright lies know what to do. We are exchanging this Federal Reserve funny munny for the REAL thing... as in any of the PMs. It really does not matter which PM you prefer. The thing is to get some of your wealth into physical PMs. These cannot be printed by the Fed and thereby shrunk in value. Silver, in particular, is a screaming buy at today's $35-45 price range.

In a few years, it will become impossible to maintain the current fiction that the US Gov. and the Fed have connived tp create. Like the house of cards that it is, it WILL come crashing down at some point. While we do not know when that will be, we DO know that it is inevitable. At a guess, look for a very serious US financial implosion to occur, probably during the 2013-2015 time span. The tiny ray of good news here is that we do have some time to get ready. Not a lot of time, mind you, but enough time to do the job. Build your hoard of food, useful manufactured articles, tools (especially hand tools), clothing, fuel, firearms & ammo, PMs, and farmland. These are the things that will have REAL value in a world gone insane.

Make no mistake, friends... inflation is caused by the Fed. Since it is their creation, do not look to them for a solution to it. Inflation from 1812 to 1912 was virtually nil. In those days, all US money was backed by gold and silver. Then, along comes the Fed in 1913. The fact that neither the US Congress nor the President had the constitutional authority to do this seems not to have mattered. Gold was removed from the hands of US citizens in 1933. Silver was removed from US coinage in 1965. In 1971 Nixon closed the gold window, removing the last trace of hard backing from US currency. If you are seeing a silent and invisible but powerful hand arranging all this in the background, you have your eyes open... unlike most of our fellow citizens! During the past 98 years, the value of the US dollar has been inflated down to about $0.03, so 3 cents in 1913 bought the same amount of goods as $1 does today. This continues today with no sign of abatement. So much for saving money in the bank over extended periods!

Back in the 1920s T.S. Eliot came up with the idea that the world would not end with a bang but with a whimper. Look around folks. This whimper is under final construction as we speak. If by some miracle, we manage to avoid a dollar collapse or other similar fate, being prepared for one will still have huge advantages. Being less dependent on the government is a GOOD thing. Having the ability to grow your own food is also a good thing. Protecting your wealth from inflation, which under even the most optimistic scenario possible, is still a VERY good thing. Being prepared is basically a no-lose scenario. Don't talk about it. Don't think about it. JUST DO IT!


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Amen brother, just got back from Walmart with $160 worth of food. Most with expiration dates 2013-2014 range
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What kills me are the way they relentlessly fake the numbers every Thursday or Friday. Two months down the line it's like " we miscalculated the figures for April, May and June. We meant to say .07% and now that we have had time to review we are revising the figure from 7% to .07%. Sorry about that. " It happens every time they need a bump to sir up a stagnant market. All they do is sit around and calculate the numbers, yet somehow they are always erring to the sweet side. At this point I wonder who they think that they're fooling. It's just really getting to be a joke.
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"Amen brother, just got back from Walmart with $160 worth of food. Most with expiration dates 2013-2014 range"

I have seen footage of many empty store shelves all along the east coast, so just think what would happen in a real SHTF situation acorss the entire country or world? Empty shelves in about a day, maybe two perhaps....
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Back in the 1920s T.S. Eliot came up with the idea that the world would not end with a bang but with a whimper. Look around folks. This whimper is under final construction as we speak.


Look, I understand things aren't too good right now (vast understatement). But those of us who are old enough to remember the late 70s early 80s also remember the sentiment that the end was near at that point as well. We now have the benefit of hindsight to tell us just how wrong that view was - 25 years of almost uninterrupted growth, and a fair bit of that could be termed "boom".

So what's different this time? Nothing, really, other than those occupying power in Washington. Well, we can fix that in a little over a year.

With another visionary like Reagan, who understands it's the private sector that creates growth and jobs, not the government; and a Fed chairman like Volker, who is willing to make the tough choice to drain liquidity to fight inflation, there's no reason to believe that we can't solve both problems of anemic economy and loose money the same way we did in 81-83.
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