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1972 Ike Doubling Or MDd?

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 Posted 09/02/2011  7:18 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Las_Vegas_Larry to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Is this recognized as doubling or MDD?

I would not think that a Proof would have MDD.

All the letters, 72, and S show some doubling.

The letters B, E, and "R" show the most doubling.



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Do you think anyone from CSI could lift that print off of IKE's face.



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The "R" has the most doubling.



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 Posted 09/03/2011  06:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks flat and shelf-like so I would say it's MD but I am no pro.Also,great pics,how are you taking them?
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 Posted 09/03/2011  06:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Las_Vegas_Larry to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks John1. I am using a usb microscope from Coin World. I think it was about $150.
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 Posted 09/03/2011  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Magers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think I'm gonna say its a doubled die... the upper serif on the are looks to be split to me. And is that a peg leg I see? I'm pretty new to this so you may wanna wait for an experts opinion though.
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 Posted 09/03/2011  6:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add StJoeBlues to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Too bad about the fingerprint.

Wouldn't the MM have been applied by hand? If so, it shouldn't show signs of doubling if it was a DD. I'm guessing MD.
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 Posted 09/03/2011  7:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like MDD to me. I'm surprised it's not more common on proofs considering they're struck twice.
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Thanks all

Magers I think the peg leg is more common on the 72.

StJoeBlues I believe the M/M was hand applied.

Captain My guess is MDD.
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 Posted 09/04/2011  08:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely Machine Doubling - no premium value.
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Charles is that common in proofs?
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 Posted 09/04/2011  12:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, it is pretty common.
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Thanks for the info.
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The pegleg on 72-S proofs is a "Design" pegleg, thus, normal true die state, and not an abraded one...All IKE S-Mint coins were struck 2, maybe 3 times at the mint, for exceptional detailing, thus, we always find SOME sort of doubling on most mintmarks and letters...many Master Hubs and Dies were doubled, thus, the working hubs and working dies picked up the doubling, and, it is considered(Wexler, Wiles, etc...) a non-attributable double die...many IKE listings for DDO / DDR have been "Delisted" by attributors as Master Hub, or, Master Die Doubling...the entire IKE world DDO / DDR situation is changing weekly, as 3 major "Schools" of thought emerge from the conficts...some believe the DDO?DDR's should be listed as "Families", with similar notching in the same serif locations, strong to weak....others believe "Hub #'s" should be used for classification...bottom line? If you sent the same possible DDO to 5 different people now, you would get 5 different attributions...varying from "No-Premium-MDD", to true DDO, say, FS-101....it will be interesting to see where the dust settles, and, which classification system wins out for top Numatisists. I don;t know of ANY other denomination of USA coinage in such flux...it's a fun time too, because new findings lead to new theories on IKE Dolllars..mint records show some working hubs were "Promoted" back into Working dies, creating a bog of messiness too.
Throw in Machine Doubling, and Displacement factors, an IKE can show 3 different movements on 1 coin...complicated? Yes. Hold onto your seats, and keep your coins until we know more. I am developing my own theories on all of this, and, infantile as they are, someday, I hope to write an article on my thoughts, for what their worth.
I can't tell you HOW many times I have sent IKES in, with Strong doubling, only to get them back as Master Die issues, and, no premium....I'm trying to memorize the MDD notching, Vs. true doubling notching, it's TOUGH!
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 Posted 09/29/2011  10:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom K to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello All, Tom K here, I attribute Ike dollar doubled die, Yes it looks like MDD, this error not rare, if you search ten or so proof coins most likely you will find more.
So you understand, if the coin with same chatter was on a circulation coin, it would and called, shelf doubling, chatter, a good way to tell if its chatter on a circulation strike is, if you see it on the mint mark and the letters and numbers, circulation coins are struck once, you would have chatter, but that is not to say that the coin cant be doubled, if you see what you show in your picture of the obverse that shows in this case is MDD, to be MDD it would have to be struck at least two times.
Hope this helps.
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