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I watched that stream live yesterday.
It seemed like everyone one other than RP, it was just generic GOP answers.
Another Public forum that RP knocked out of the Park IMO.
He needs to be careful though. If he keeps saying the same thing, people will start to get a bit annoyed.
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Ron Paul has been speaking about limited government, honest money, abolition of the Fed, and dismantling of the IRS for at least 23 years (just in my memory), maybe longer...
He has been the lone "statesman" (as opposed to politician) in the entire legislative branch for a long time. This is finally changing - as the Tea Party is making itself felt. Now there are several voices saying the "same thing".
Our government is not there to guarantee cradle to grave care of U.S. citizens. It does not exist to ensure "fair" outcomes. It is about Life, Liberty, and the PURSUIT of happiness. Once you seek to guarantee "equal & equitable" outcomes - you are on the path to an autocratic socialism.
These "annoying" conversations will continue to take place until, the U.S. as a nation (meaning its' people), decide which reality is to prevail...
More freedom, or less - that is the question... You know all ready which side of the question Obama represents (or should I say YO MAMA), and of course Mr. Paul - the Congressman from Texas has been the most "annoying" voice for freedom, limited government, and integrity in politics this nation has seen in at least 100 years!
And I for one - am very grateful for it...
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LastGold
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These "annoying" conversations will continue to take place until, the U.S. as a nation (meaning its' people), decide which reality is to prevail... Indeed so, which brings us to the classic debate between the merits of Makers vs. Takers. Makers create all that exists while Takers only consume it. Once a government reaches the point where it can no longer support the dependent masses its actions have created, the Takers feel cheated and first become angry and then violent. They have been trained to think that the wealth that others have created with their sweat, muscles, and brains somehow (magically?) belongs to them. Finding out, at long last, that it does not is certainly a terrible shock. Most of them do not deal well with such shocks to their basic core beliefs. I absolutely loved the proposed British law that says that anyone convicted of rioting cannot ever receive any kind of public assistance again. Don't know if this will be watered down to something less than that or if it will go completely by the wayside before all is said and done... but I LOVE the concept! Biting the hand that feeds them is NOT acceptable. |
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I read the other day that 50% of the people living in America don't pay into income tax while the other half who work do. If this is true then their is something wrong with that picture.
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Sounds like someone with a good clear head on his shoulders, your boy Ron. Speaks to the address the "scope creep", in engineer's terms another forum member brought up, that governments have grown into debt with.
Somewhat unfortunate that the third questioner had to draw the topic into the pro-life/ semi-religious realm. There was a clear dip in Ron's tone of voice when he answered there. But i'll stop here, don't want to go off topic now.
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09/06/2011 10:14 pm
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He was an OBGYN before going into politics I think that's why he's sensitive on the prolife subject but I mainly posted the video for what he had to say about the federal reserve and article 1 section 10 of the constitution not so much the last part of the video.
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Is there any mathematical real chance RP could get elected? I will happily toss my vote his way even if he has ZERO chance of getting elected, instead of giving it to any of the other jack wagons....
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09/07/2011 12:36 am
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Silverhawk: I believe Ron Paul has a chance, though not a large one. The prediction market Intrade (www.intrade.com),this morning lists Paul as having a 3.5% chance to take the GOP nomination. Perry is at 39%, Romney is at 36%. YO MAMA ... (er Obama), is given a 50.9% chance of reelection. Very importantly, the GOP is seen to have a 75.4% probability of gaining control of the Senate.  . Most are not ready to confront the many changes that would take place with a Ron Paul presidency. Though he would not do away with the Fed or the IRS immediately, his existence as President would threaten many in entrenched positions of power. (Just imagine how many bureaucrats he would put out of work)!   . Even so, a critical mass is building for the idea of returning to Constitutional values... If we can make it 14 months, and avoid disaster (the reelection of YO MAMA), and get a GOP Senate - then we can hope to rebuild the country. Until then I believe, gridlock prevails, businesses won't invest, and employment remains at a status quo... |
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This early in the game though leads me to take those intrade numbers with a heaping bowl of salt.
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I'm afraid the establishment is too corrupt at this point for Ron to get elected. That won't stop me from voting for him though.
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I read the other day that 50% of the people living in America don't pay into income tax while the other half who work do. If this is true then their is something wrong with that picture. Yes, this is true. This would cease if we had a flat tax system. I have yet to hear a cogent argument against a flat tax, although I have heard a lot of vitriol. In one makes a LOT of money, one pays a LOT in taxes. If one makes a moderate amount, then they pay a moderate tax. If they make little, then they pay little... but EVERYONE pays something and that would be a substantial improvement over the "dead-beats ride in the wagon for free while the rest of us push it" system that we now have. Quote:
I'm afraid the establishment is too corrupt at this point for Ron to get elected. That won't stop me from voting for him though. I agree. In fact, the system is now so corrupt that I would fear for Dr. Paul's physical safety should he be nominated. It would not be the 1st time that political zealots resorted to assassination to obtain their desires.  |
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I hate to say it, but if Ron Paul took the GOP nomination - I too would fear for his physical safety... As far as the flat the tax goes - it would be the best solution (IMO). It would have the benefit of encouraging saving, as well as imposing a tax on those who presently pay nothing (drug dealers, prostitutes, gamblers, thieves etc., and even those with a higher profile who pay nothing because of cleverly exploited tax loopholes). A flat tax system however, would mean the end of the IRS. . But you can bet that those entrenched in power in that bureaucracy will fight to their last breath to maintain the status quo... |
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Alex Jones had a money bomb fund raiser for Ron last year and raised 5 million dollars in one day. A lot of people like him, even though they know that even if elected the President doesn't really have the power to make all of those changes. It would be a nice symbolic kick in the teeth to Barney Frank and the boys. The president can make those Presidential Decrees or whatever their called. At least we would get Fort Knox and The New York Central Bank audited. And gee, do you think that Bernanke and Geithner would keep their appointed positions?
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Even with a flat tax, we would still need the IRS, but at least we could reduce their size by 90+%.
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I don't agree with your statement, that even with a flat tax - we would still need the IRS. The flat tax would be universal, would tax all - and would need no huge federal bureaucracy (like the IRS) to administer it.
We could do away with the IRS, its' many capricious and arbitrary practices, (and its' many corruptions), which would take much too long to get into here...
Nope - totally disagree - with the flat tax - (IMO),there would be no need for the most hideous bureaucracy ever created by the U.S. government.
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